Was WW2 in Europe Justified?

[Red Harvest]

The stigma was still there of being labelled as the first, true or not. Folks largely remember it as something introduced by the Germans, and later banned by international agreement.

I'm not going to go into the relativity aspects of chemical ordnance too much. As a military weapon it is much like many others, it kills or horribly wounds, and often not just the target. It seems the main reason to ban them was the psychological/morale impact, rather than actual military effectiveness. They operate more as a weapon of terror even on the battlefield. And there is also something psychological about killing all the living things from afar, but leaving structures, trenches largely intact. It drives some inate fears.

Submarine warfare was also something the Germans had been forced to rely on, particularly against merchant shipping. The inability of a submarine to abide by former naval traditions of course carried a large negative stigma, especially as viewed by other established naval powers.

[Kagemusha]

But is this valid point because Germans didnt use chemical weapons in battlefield in WWII.

[PanzerJaeger]

I think Red is saying that although the holocaust was not generally known early in the war, the Germans had a negative stigma left over from WW1.

Even though many of the allied nations used gas and such, Im sure they didnt advertise it. However, propaganda against Germany Im sure highlighted their use of "cowardly" weapons to the exclusion of all others.

However, it is important to note that although FDR hated the Nazis, there was much German sympathy in the US, and a bit of corporate collaboration, before Hitler declared..

[Lazul]

However, it is important to note that although FDR hated the Nazis, there was much German sympathy in the US, and a bit of corporate collaboration, before Hitler declared..

Bush's grandpa made some good deals with the nazis and their labourcamps I think.

[KafirChobee]

Answer : Yes, it was. It stopped the Nazi bastards in their tracks.

As for the Thread? No, it is not worth it. This is something PJ brings up about every 3 or 4 months or so. It is BS. Anyone that has contributed to this tripe, get real. WWII was an evil necessity to rid us of evil regimes with the intent to rule the world -as some do today.

Were PJ to Address the necessity for a specific battle - then he might have a point. But, an entire WorldWar? Nonsense. Even the premise to deny its necessity is founded on neo-nazi lines - after all they were right, didn't you know? Had we just copitulated to the Nazi demands just imagine the paradise we would all be living in today. Let alone giving into those compassionated Imperial Japanese that won overwhelming support in Nanching.

Dumb Topic. Dumber host. PJ, get with it boy, get into today - read something - like maybe Das Kapital.

[PanzerJaeger]

Ahh, the same old lies and personal attacks from Kafir without any real understanding or contribution to the topic. I would have been surprised if you hadnt shown up in this thread with your typical nonsensical yet vitriolic rhetoric.

[Red Harvest]

But is this valid point because Germans didnt use chemical weapons in battlefield in WWII.

Yes, because we are talking about conditions leading up to events in WWII. As PJ recognized, I'm not trying to make a moral judgement about the methods. I am trying to identify some things that would have been used as moral judgements by various nations in regards to the Germans/Nazis of the time. Recent history of the time, WWI, would clearly factor greatly in that perception. Different regime of course, but the same nation, and very aggressive.

[Al Khalifah]

Apparently the mustard gas stockpiled for WW2 is still affecting Europe today. Since much of the mustard gas canisters stockpiled by Germany was dumped into the Baltic Sea, many of these canisters have rusted through and washed up on shores, where they can be mistaken for amber. Even now it can still cause serious health problems.
Shells containing chemical weapons are also found in France every once in a while.

[Aenlic]

Even WWI is still affecting places today. Farmers, especially in places like Verdun, still plow up old WWI ordnance conventional and gas from those ferocious artilliery battles and blow themselves to pieces.