Iroques

[Kagemusha]

Thanks for the info Gregoshi. Kraxis did you think of word Sauna from Haudenosaunee?Btw Aenlic we Finns also "Finnosize" words.In my language you and Gregoshi would live in Yhdysvallat and Kraxis if i remember right is Danish so he lives in Tanska.

[Aenlic]

I don't know what kind of cable TV access you have in Helsinki, Kagemushua; but if you get the History Channel or History International, then the series 500 Nations based upon that book which Gregoshi mentioned is shown regularly. You might even be able to order it via the History Channel web site.

[Kagemusha]

I don't know what kind of cable TV access you have in Helsinki, Kagemushua; but if you get the History Channel or History International, then the series 500 Nations based upon that book which Gregoshi mentioned is shown regularly. You might even be able to order it via the History Channel web site.

I only have Discovery Chanel,but i think im going to get that book.

[yesdachi]

I am not aware of anything as interesting as the “counting coup” game that the plains tribes practiced but I found this site a while ago http://muse.jhu.edu/demo/ethnohistor...6.4keener.html its a bit dry but offers some interesting info.

[Kagemusha]

Thanks yesdachi. Great and very informative article.I never knew that Notheastern Indians could even have cannons and bastions to defend their towns.All in all i find these people very intresting,they are so controversial.Stone age people who lived in anarcho-democratic society where no one could be forced to do anything.Where women controlled the property of the family and choosed the chiefs among men.Also the style of warfare is very different from plains Indian nations brave but sportlike "coup" warfare.Iroquois warfare was morelike total war where the aim was the wiping out the enemy nation or force them to move out from their lands.Also these people were cannibals and showed almost unhuman cruelty to captured enemies by torturing them or burning them in the stake.The thing that is the most unbelievable to me is while tortured and killed some of their prisoners,they could also adopt them into their tribe and give him or her the name of some dead relative and the person could adapt the role of beiing one of the people that could have killed his or hers original relatives.peculiar people.

-kagemusha

[LeftEyeNine]

I'm not a Turko-Schizophrenic but have you ever heard about the claims about the NA Indians being the children of the Middle Asian Turkish immigrants who were scattered off their homelands, some passing the Bering Strait when it was frozen?

Their cultural values and religious beliefs were said to be alike the Middle Asian Turks.

I must repeat that this is something I am interested in. Learning something is my only purpose. I don't want to sound funny.

Any info ?

[Kraxis]

Hardly Turkish, but Asian that is for sure. They crossed the Berings strait some 15,000 years ago, long before there were a group called Turks. They might share some ancestry but beyond that it is too much for anyone to claim.

Kagemusha, no it wasn't sauna, it was how it sounds if you say it like this: Haudenosaunee... slowly trailing off as you say the word. It would thus sound peculiarly Finnish.