Pure Peace Possible ?

**Xiahou** · 08-28-2005, 21:25

A lion kills for food- so do we. Also, lions, wolves, even simple jellyfish kill each other for control of territory and resources. You don't even have to consider predation. A lion will kill another because it has come onto his pride's territory or it may be killed itself by another lion who wants control of his territory and mates. The victor will the proceed to kill all of the young who are not it's own decendants. Wolf packs can completely wipe out rival packs in bids to take over their territory.

Even simple Anemones that float on the tides exist in a constant state of 'warfare' with colonies attacking and killing each other with every tide.

**LeftEyeNine** · 08-28-2005, 21:32

Xiahou,

Yes, all you say are true. And you simply point "survival of the fittest" rule. The mankind has many complex rules - usually much more than control of your territory and basic organic needs.

**BDC** · 08-28-2005, 21:41

Yes, when there is some extra-terrestrial/super-natural presence that means anyone who even tries to start a war is immediately blown up or whatever.

We just need some teachers to control the moody bullies in the playground.

**Xiahou** · 08-28-2005, 22:10

Originally Posted by LeftEyeNine

Xiahou,

Yes, all you say are true. And you simply point "survival of the fittest" rule. The mankind has many complex rules - usually much more than control of your territory and basic organic needs.

Of course, everything about human society is more complex, by definition than the animal kingdom. If you're going to beg the question and define warfare as something only human, then of course war would end with the end of humanity. However, intraspecies conflict over territory and resources is not uniquely human and would continue regardless of our existence.

**Del Arroyo** · 08-28-2005, 23:31

Peace is impossible, for one simple reason-- if everyone in the world lays down their arms, all it would take is a small group of agressive individuals to use this to their advantage and wreck everything.

Another clear indication of the impossibility of pure peace is that it has NEVER, in the ENTIRE existence of mankind, EVER occurred. Nor can it be found ANYWHERE in the animal kingdom.

To believe in the possibility of pure peace is pure delusion.

DA

**Del Arroyo** · 08-28-2005, 23:33

And personally, I wouldn't want such a peace. The blind belief in such a peace is one of the most potentially dangerous delusions that anyone could have. He who would promise such a piece would really only be be offering a stifling tyranny.

DA

**Divinus Arma** · 08-28-2005, 23:53

There will never be pure peace because of religion.

You can thank Christianity and Islam.

Maybe in the very very distant future...

**sharrukin** · 08-29-2005, 00:12

Originally Posted by Divinus Arma

There will never be pure peace because of religion.

You can thank Christianity and Islam.

Maybe in the very very distant future...

Yeah, Stalin was such a peaceful man.

We need more men like him!

**Navaros** · 08-29-2005, 08:39

Originally Posted by Divinus Arma

There will never be pure peace because of religion.

You can thank Christianity and Islam.

this is an over-generalization. either of those two words that you thanked could easily be replaced by "secularism" and the result of the statement would be the same. secularism is incompatible with peace too.

there will never be pure peace because humans will never collectively agree on most things.

the only way to achieve pure peace is either through brainwashing, or forcing a universal iron dictatorship upon all human beings for which the grip is so tight that there is no opportunity for rebellion

**Azi Tohak** · 08-29-2005, 04:29

Originally Posted by Del Arroyo

Peace is impossible, for one simple reason-- if everyone in the world lays down their arms, all it would take is a small group of agressive individuals to use this to their advantage and wreck everything.

Another clear indication of the impossibility of pure peace is that it has NEVER, in the ENTIRE existence of mankind, EVER occurred. Nor can it be found ANYWHERE in the animal kingdom.

To believe in the possibility of pure peace is pure delusion.

DA

Thanks DA. Well said

I was too lazy to say that myself when I wrote in here before.

Azi

**Ironside** · 08-29-2005, 08:04

What do you define as pure peace? A peace that would last forever, 1000 years, 100 years among humanity?

For a shorter time inteval (like 100 years) it will certainly be possible, but things never last forever.
BTW conflict is natural, war is not as long as the resources is plentyful.