Naval combat

**English assassin** · 09-02-2005, 13:51

Does anyone know if there is a good big gun warship naval sim out there? (ie probably WWI or WWII) I'm thinking one that allows you to fight fleet actions. I remember one came out a few years ago, the name escapes me, but although the ship to ship stuff had good reviews, it didn't include submarines (or it might have been aircraft, or even both) and all actions were deep water (ie it didn't include land either).

That seemed to me to change the tactcial options so much that it wasn't worth having. Hunting the Bismark without the Ark Royal? Closing on Jutland knowing there were no Germans submarines ahead? Bleh.

Anyone got anything like this they would recommend?

**Big King Sanctaphrax** · 09-03-2005, 16:15

I remembaer hearing about a destroyer sim a while back, Destroyer Command or some such-although, the ships involved might not be big enough for you. The cool bit about it, from what I read, was that the same company made a Submarine command, and you could multi with the Destroyer Command players hunting the Submarine command players.

I never played it though, so I don't know if the execution was as good as the concept.

**Taurus** · 09-03-2005, 17:03

I played Submarine Command and I too heard about the Destroyer/Sub battles but to be honest those sort of games arn't really my cup of tea.

**Puzz3D** · 09-04-2005, 13:16

Originally Posted by English assassin

Does anyone know if there is a good big gun warship naval sim out there?

NWS: Thunder at Sea is an operational naval campaign simulator centering on surface warfare that also includes air and submarine elements. Thunder at Sea uses the latest version of the Fighting Steel Project to resolve the resulting surface engagements. Thunder at Sea is capable of simulating any naval operation between 1890 and 1945. Command the lonely Tirpitz lurking in Norwegian fiords, ready to pounce upon the arctic convoys. Lead savage encounters in the waters outside Guadalcanal. Hunt disguised raiders in the vast reaches of the Indian Ocean. Face the rain of steel conducting evacuations off Crete. Thunder at Sea comes with several operational scenarios including Operation Rheinubung, Guadalcanal, Malta convoys, Arctic convoys and German raiders in the Indian Ocean. Information on fates of individual ships recorded and presented after the battle. also included is a random scenario generator. In addition, users can create their own scenarios, or edit existing scenarios, as the scenario format is fully open and documented. Documentation of scenario format is included with the simulation.

Features:
* Full zoom capable detailed strategic map covering any theatre in the world.
* Land and weather effects included.
* Land based and carrier air, submarines and minefields.
* Recon by land or carrier aviation, or floatplanes.
* Shadowing by cruiser patrols.
* Realistically unclear, delayed, or even misleading sighting reports.
* Operational scenarios covering up to a month.
* Real time with pause function for orders.
* Realistic range limitations and refueling, at sea or in port.
* Missions for task forces include: Convoy, Tactical transport, Bombard, Mine laying, Intercept, Patrol etc.
* Surface battles are resolved using the latest version of the free Fighting Steel Project.
* Automatic feedback of battle results from Fighting Steel.
* Cause of loss recorded for every ship sunk or damaged.
* Play as either side or let the AI handle both sides and sit back and play the resulting scenarios.
* Campaigns with a series of linked Thunder at Sea scenarios in a specific theatre.
* The ability to edit your own missions using a scenario editor!

Thunder at Sea

Fighting Steel Project

**English assassin** · 09-05-2005, 12:17

Fantastic, thanks Puzz3d. Henceforth you may all call me First Sea Lord Assassin.

@BKS, destroyers would be cool, but it was heavy metal I was really hoping for, right enough.

**The Marcher Lord** · 09-11-2005, 00:42

If you want something more along the 3d tactical side try Enigma: Rising Tide (Gold Edition)
It is set in a fictitious world c.1937+ assuming the first world war never ended and technological developments have advanced, but the ships are still pretty historically accurate and you get to play surface or in subs. There are campaigns for each of the main nations as well as singleplayer. Multiplayer is to follow. The accent is very much on tactics and some of the campaign missions are extremely tough.

**edyzmedieval** · 09-11-2005, 09:09

How's about Silent Hunter 3?!

**Marcellus** · 09-11-2005, 12:33

Originally Posted by edyzmedieval

How's about Silent Hunter 3?!

It's a great game, but you can only play with U-boats, and I think that English Assassin is looking for a game where you can play with battleships in large sea battles.

**Sjakihata** · 09-11-2005, 09:51

Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube

mmm.. I'd love a game that lets me play out the Battle of Jutland in a nice strategic fashion.

Ditto

**Seamus Fermanagh** · 09-22-2005, 21:33

Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube

mmm.. I'd love a game that lets me play out the Battle of Jutland in a nice strategic fashion.

Ever tried Jutland?

CA and up individual, DD & CL flotillas and demi-flotillas...

Seamus

**Kraxis** · 09-23-2005, 12:01

Ahh good...

I remember an old game that was similar to this. Can't remember the name really and everything was in 2D on a map. But there you could control the damage control (first you had to put out fires, then repair, before pumping out). And you could assign planes to patrol.
It was beautiful when you sighted a British fleet and sent 50 He111 to attack it with two torpedoes each. All those streaks.... BOOOOM!!!

Well, I might get Fighting Steel.

But wouldn't it be cool with an MP game where one guy controls the fire direction and rudder, and others control the weapons. I can just imagine the fire director yelling out loud "NONONO 200 meters UP!"