Katrina Scenario Did not Exist???

**Redleg** · 09-04-2005, 02:50

Originally Posted by Red Harvest

Another beauty from Dept. of Homeland Security: Scenario Didn't Exist

Now Chertoff claims that the scenario didn't exist. WHAT??? That is what we were expecting as early as Saturday, two days before the storm struck the coast. Here is an idea: get some people in Homeland Security that have some concept of the potential dangers in the real world! Wow! Isn't that novel? These morons couldn't plan their way out of a paper bag.

Well he has to provide cover for his department and the agency which is suppose to answer to him.

Politians can never admit thier mistakes - however it would best serve the nation if stupid excuses were not offered - especially easy ones to disprove.

It would serve the nation best if The Mayor of New Orleans, The Governor of Louisana, and yes even the President all just stated that the Hurrican caught the city in a state of complaincany (SP) the state in the midst of an inablity to manage a major crisis within its area of control, and for President Bush to admit that Homeland Security and FEMA heads are talking out of thier rear-ends.

They claim they've evacuated 42,000 people as of this morning...so in 5 days they've gotten out the equivalent of almost 10% of the pre-Katrina population--most of that in the past 24 hours. I am NOT impressed. And people criticize New Orleans' evacuation?

Don't be so hard on the attempt - given that the city, the state, and the nation all were caught with their pants around their ankles - getting to them in 4 days show some hard work is being done.

Like I have stated in an earlier thread - I was involved in a FEMA mission to San Antonio - a realitive minor thing - where the Military Base (Ft Sam Houston) was being flooded along with the city. It took the Federal System under FEMA 3 days to organize a response.

**ShadesPanther** · 09-04-2005, 03:05

Originally Posted by Redleg

It would serve the nation best if The Mayor of New Orleans, The Governor of Louisana, and yes even the President all just stated that the Hurrican caught the city in a state of complaincany (SP) the state in the midst of an inablity to manage a major crisis within its area of control, and for President Bush to admit that Homeland Security and FEMA heads are talking out of thier rear-ends.

Of course, pigs might fly

It does sound silly but politicans are never wrong, ever.

**Strike For The South** · 09-04-2005, 03:06

This whole thing has pissed me off

**PanzerJaeger** · 09-04-2005, 03:27

Doesnt this belong in the other Bush-bashing thread? Do we really need another one?

**Lemur** · 09-04-2005, 03:29

Originally Posted by PanzerJager

Doesnt this belong in the other Bush-bashing thread? Do we really need another one?

So any thread that questions any policy by any Executive department is a Bush-bashing thread? I guess we'll have to restrict the Backroom to religion.

**Gawain of Orkeny** · 09-04-2005, 03:37

Do any of you think things would have been different under Kerry. This is ridiculous. The only difference is I and Panzer would be calling for Kerrys head while you would be taking our position.

**Lemur** · 09-04-2005, 03:51

Gawain, nasty case of dualism you've got there. I'd recommend an ointment and bed rest, should clear it right up.

**Red Harvest** · 09-04-2005, 06:06

Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny

Do any of you think things would have been different under Kerry. This is ridiculous. The only difference is I and Panzer would be calling for Kerrys head while you would be taking our position.

Yes, actually I do. He certainly couldn't have done worse picking a head for FEMA. At worst he could have done just as poorly. And given Dubya's lack of initiative in this disaster, I doubt Kerry could have been slower to respond.

I would not defend any President over such a weak response. That is where we differ.

**Del Arroyo** · 09-04-2005, 07:34

Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny

Do any of you think things would have been different under Kerry. This is ridiculous. The only difference is I and Panzer would be calling for Kerrys head while you would be taking our position.

Irrelevant. If a nation is to succeed, leaders must be judged based on competent examples and not just on likely alternatives. Just because nations like Mexico and Nicaragua have few good alternatives to current political leadership doesn't make them any less disfunctional or sucky. Do you support the US turning into Nicaragua, Gawain? Then get your morals straight and stick with high standards.

If a nation lacks good leadership, the only way through it is outrage and positive action. If you adjust your standards you are part of the problem.

DA

**AntiochusIII** · 09-04-2005, 04:01

Originally Posted by Lemurmania

So any thread that questions any policy by any Executive department is a Bush-bashing thread? I guess we'll have to restrict the Backroom to religion.

I thought any religion-bashing is even worse than Bush-bashing, in the opinions of some of the patrons on this board? After all, if Bush can't be touched, how about Him?

**Gawain of Orkeny** · 09-04-2005, 04:09

Gawain, nasty case of dualism you've got there. I'd recommend an ointment and bed rest, should clear it right up.

So you think it would have been all different with Kerry in there? At least I admit Im partisan. The federal government is a huge bueracracy and this was a huge disaster. It takes a while to get the ball rolling. Once order had been restored things are moving forward at a rapid rate now. It doesnt matter who the president was things would be the same. Hopefully this will wake everyone up and they will finally get their act toghether. How is it we can depoly the Marines or the 82nd airborne anywhere in the world in a matter of hours but we cant get them into New Orleans for days?