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    Default Re: 3rd of October closing in - Hotline for Turkey

    Quote Originally Posted by Taffy_is_a_Taff
    personally, I'm concerned that the EU's human rights laws will possibly destabilize Turkey and will allow the influence of the scary brand of Islam to flourish.

    If you want an example of a once non-scary country that became a hotbed of that nasty type of Islam then you can look at Pakistan. I know Pakistan is not in the EU blahblahblah but it did go down that fundamentalist path quite swiftly. A couple of decades of free reign for the scaries and you may find Turkey a completely different place in 2020.
    That’s my point.

    What makes the islamist ideology unable to reach power and to impose a religious based society in Turkey?

    The army.

    Is the military institution of a country an acceptable element to block the will of the people democratically expressed in European union?

    No.

    What will make impossible for Turkey to become a segregationist country once the army will be limited to it’s military task?

    Nothing at the moment.


    As long as Turkey has not found a way to remain a democratic country by democratic means, it shall remain outside of Europe and this cannot be negotiated.

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    Default Re: 3rd of October closing in - Hotline for Turkey

    Quote Originally Posted by Petrus
    What makes the islamist ideology unable to reach power and to impose a religious based society in Turkey?

    The army.
    That´s not necessarily a problem. You might note that in some EU member countries, it is possible to disallow certain political parties. In Germany for example. It is not possible in Germany for a political party to advocate communism or a fascist state. The same could be applied in Turkey. Political projects to undermine the secular nature of the state can be outlawed. And to achieve this the army may be used.

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    RP and MSP were Islamic political parties which several times had the govermental power in political timeline of Turkey - under the leadership of the notorious politician Necmettin Erbakan.

    They were all closed, Necmettin Erbakan was prohibited from his political rights. His comrade Recai Kutan opened the latest one - FP. The leader is still Necmettin Erbakan behind the curtains. Tayyip Erdogan was a member of RP once, he was a "pupil" of Erbakan.

    You let them open, you can not prevent it since the party statute is literally democratic. But their actions blow their cover someday and the party is closed. The remnants open another one as soon as possible. This goes and on and on and on. It is also valid for the Kurdish parties who always were banned after their support to PKK being exposed.

    I mean, they do not alreadily expose their ideal in their party statues, how can you ban ? Crime needs proof, nothing possible before as you know. Therefore as soon as they "exagerrate" their allowances as a party, they are closed.

    Saturnus, sorry but your statement is far from being possible here.

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