Am I a racist ?

[Redleg]

I take it I won't be on your Christmas card list, then? I'm heartbroken.

Since I don't send Christmas cards out - no need to be heartbroken

[Aenlic]

Oh, good. I won't be crushed then.

[Papewaio]

Since this is NZ we were talking about...

Can either A or R name the national sport er religion of New Zealand?

What special dance they do before proceedings begin in said religion?

The languages that New Zealands national anthem is sung in?

The name of the national sports team and its ethnic makeup?

The Waitangi Treaty is not the standard variety of treaty that may have cropped up elsewhere, nor is the level of racism as bad as I have seen in say Australia. There are definitly problems, and there are definitly people trying to take advantage or playing the role of victim to the point of self damage.

However it is not the same as the White Australia policy nor the same as the way American Indians have been treated.

It is not unique, but it certainly is different.

[Incongruous]

The name of the national sports team and its ethnic makeup?

What National team? We have loads.

[Papewaio]

The name of the national sports team and its ethnic makeup?

What National team? We have loads.

Which game would you define as the national religion?

[Redleg]

Since this is NZ we were talking about...

Can either A or R name the national sport er religion of New Zealand?

What special dance they do before proceedings begin in said religion?

The languages that New Zealands national anthem is sung in?

The name of the national sports team and its ethnic makeup?

Now ask me if I care....

[Tribesman]

Now ask me if I care....
Yet you are writing in a topic that was about that nation , that nations heritage , founding principles , ethnic make up and current politics

[Papewaio]

Now ask me if I care....
Yet you are writing in a topic that was about that nation , that nations heritage , founding principles , ethnic make up and current politics

Precisely.

If you understand New Zealand you will understand that the All Blacks and sports in general are very important.

The All Blacks is a Pakeha, Maori and Islander (Fiji, Samoa etc) team that is highly respected in NZ.

New Zealanders as a whole have a lot of frictions, but sports has proven to be a valuable way to bind the nation.

[Aenlic]

Question for you, Papewaio, since I don't know and I'm too lazy to go look it up right now; in that list of the current team for the All Blacks which I posted above, are all those names Maori, Pakeha or Islander? The anglicized ones are just that? My impression was that the team was mostly Maori, etc. but it's all? I'm asking because I really don't know.

[KafirChobee]

Now ask me if I care....

Red. after reading all your posts here on the subject of racism; I agree, you do not care. Nor, do you understand it or appreciate the import of the consequences of ignoring that it is happening.

Still, I do know you are a basically caring person, that is simply trying to cover up the sins of his predicessors by blaiming everything and everyone else for their failings. While in the mean time accusing all others for being wrong for having alternative views yo their ancestors; or conceeding that they owe some form of payment (ergo, me) to their sins.

Accpeting that at their death the responsability of their crimes ends, is like saying that the crime never existed; and ergo, doesnot require compensation.

Red, generally you present an intelligent and well thought through arguement. In this case, you reveal your own prejudices and biases. Sorry mate, but you are a racist. Aren't you? Or, is it me - because I care about all mankind versus one race or one nation?

[Xiahou]

Wow, Kafir calls 2 people bigots inside of 20 minutes. I'm impressed...

[Redleg]

Red. after reading all your posts here on the subject of racism; I agree, you do not care. Nor, do you understand it or appreciate the import of the consequences of ignoring that it is happening.

You would be incorrect with this conclusion - but continue to delude yourself in thinking you understand me. Edit: Nice attempt to take a statement out of context - spin away my dear sir spin away.

Still, I do know you are a basically caring person, that is simply trying to cover up the sins of his predicessors by blaiming everything and everyone else for their failings. While in the mean time accusing all others for being wrong for having alternative views yo their ancestors; or conceeding that they owe some form of payment (ergo, me) to their sins.

You would be wrong again - my ancestors happen to include Navajo and Cherokee. I just find issue with incorrect history and a few other things that I might have carried to far in this discussion.

Care to guess how many times I have visited the reservations around New Mexico and Oklhoma researching some of my ancestors.

Or maybe you might want to explain why my First Sergeant, who also happened to be a tribal dancer for the Souix Nation, gave me a brave's feather when we served together. I could tell you that means - but I will let you attempt to figure it out.

Accpeting that at their death the responsability of their crimes ends, is like saying that the crime never existed; and ergo, doesnot require compensation.

Forcing one to pay for the sins of previous generations is criminal in my opinion - so I will always take that postion.

Red, generally you present an intelligent and well thought through arguement. In this case, you reveal your own prejudices and biases. Sorry mate, but you are a racist. Aren't you? Or, is it me - because I care about all mankind versus one race or one nation?

Again you would be incorrect in trying to call me a racist - You might want to check and see what the term racist means. Pointing out errors in history and terms used is not racism. Pointing out that I don't agree with the use of the term genocide as it relates to the death of Native Americans as a result of diasease carried to the new world by Europeans does not make one a racist. Pointing out that I see no need for reprations to blacks because some stupid white men decided to own slaves does not make one a racist.

Oh by the way just love the overuse of the word by some. Try pointing out where I stated something that is racist on its face.

Do I have some baised views as it relates to history of some events - sure but who doesn't. Just look at your use of the term genocide - it shows an equal baised viewpoint does it not.

And you might want to check out what the term bigot really means.

Edit to help you out since you want to throw the terms around

Racist is defined in Websters as a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

Bigot is defined in Websters as a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices

Careful on throwing out the term bigot - certain people fall more in line with what the term actually means far more then I do.

[Tribesman]

Forcing one to pay for the sins of previous generations is criminal in my opinion - so I will always take that postion.
So Germanys reparations to holocaust and slave labour survivors or their descendants are a crime , as are Austrias , Australias awarding of land and mineral rights to its natives are a crime , New Zealand making efforts to abide by its treaty is a crime , the Supreme court awarding US tax payers money over broken treaties is a crime .
What a strange position to take Red .

[Aenlic]

Since this is NZ we were talking about...

Can either A or R name the national sport er religion of New Zealand?

Let me take a wild (OK, not so wild, since I know the answer) guess and say it involves the All Blacks in the Rugby Union. I might not have known, except that on a recent episode of the Antique Show on PBS, a guy in England had an All Blacks jersey and a cap, signed by the team, from the 1905 All Blacks team that conquered European rubgy.

What special dance they do before proceedings begin in said religion?

Do you mean the Haka?

Ka mate! Ka mate! Ka ora! Ka ora!
Ka mate! Ka mate! Ka ora! Ka ora!
Tenei te tangata puhuru huru
Nana nei i tiki mai
Whakawhiti te ra
A upa ... ne! ka upa ... ne!
A upane kaupane whiti te ra!
Hi!

The languages that New Zealands national anthem is sung in?

I'll wager a guess and say English and Maori.

The name of the national sports team and its ethnic makeup?

See above.

As for ethnic makeup, you tell me. Here's the current team roster:

Forwards
Ali Williams, Carl Hayman, Chris Jack, Derren Witcombe, Greg Somerville, James Ryan, Jerome Kaino, Jerry Collins, John Afoa, Keven Mealamu, Marty Holah, Richie McCaw, Rodney So'oialo, Sione Lauaki, Tony Woodcock

Backs
Aaron Mauger, Byron Kelleher, Conrad Smith, Dan Carter, Doug Howlett, Joe Rokocoko, Kevin Senio, Leon MacDonald, Luke McAlister, Malili Muliaina, Piri Weepu, Rico Gear, Sitiveni Sivivatu, Tana Umaga

Brian Lochore - Selector
Graham Henry - Coach
Steve Hansen - Asst Coach
Wayne Smith - Asst Coach

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