Barbara Bush Blunders

[Devastatin Dave]

If a poor black man were to run a stop sign and kill a young white high school athlete in a car with the right of way on a crossroad, what would happen? Should he be charged with manslaughter? Should he, at the very least, be issued a traffic citation?

Um, what are you talking about?

[Don Corleone]

If a poor black man were to run a stop sign and kill a young white high school athlete in a car with the right of way on a crossroad, what would happen? Should he be charged with manslaughter? Should he, at the very least, be issued a traffic citation?

What has that got to do with the topic of this thread? Barbara Bush's comments equated to vehicular homicide in your book? Put the hookah down and engage your brain, man.

[Aenlic]

Just answer the question and I'll tell you what it has to do with this thread.

If a poor black man ran a stop sign, hit a car with the right of way and killed the occupant of the other car, who was a young white male high school athlete, what would be the result. Would he be charged with manslaughter? Would he be charged with any crime at all? Would he even get a ticket? Let's, just for the sake of argument, also stipulate that this accident takes place in the South.

[Don Corleone]

Oh, here we go. You're going to come up with some extreme example and attempt to apply it at large. No, I'm not going to play your silly game.

I will say:

If ANYBODY intentionally ran a STOP sign and hit ANYBODY, causing a resultant death, or through their own negligence, such as intoxication, lost the ability to STOP and caused ANYBODY'S death, they should be charged with vehicular homocide. Black or white perp or victim, it shouldn't make a difference.

If you're going to try to paint me to be a racist because I don't agree with you that Barbara Bush is the anti-Christ, have fun. Much better men then you have tried to smear me in the past. Before you go down this road, you might want to consider that it was the lack of racially equality in it's application that finally turned me against the death penalty.

[Aenlic]

What if they didn't intentionally run the stop sign, maybe just didn't see it, but did run it. Wouldn't that meet the definition of manslaughter? Wouldn't you, at least, expect the person to get a ticket for running a stop sign and killing another human being?

And trust me, I'm not trying to paint you as a racist.

[Don Corleone]

By the way Aenlic, while we're playing twenty questions, I'm sure you must have a rich lazy slag like Barbara Bush beat.... how many hours have you spent helping Hurricane evacuees in Texas, Louisiana or Mississipi?

[Aenlic]

I'm a disabled vet. I transferred my entire disability check to the Red Cross last Friday. How about you? Do you suppose that Barbara Bush gave an entire month's income to the relief effort this week? Or did she just "tour" the facilities on a photo op?

[Don Corleone]

What if they didn't intentionally run the stop sign, maybe just didn't see it, but did run it. Wouldn't that meet the definition of manslaughter? Wouldn't you, at least, expect the person to get a ticket for running a stop sign and killing another human being?

If SOMEBODY (you're the one who brought the race of the driver and the victim into this) ran a STOP sign and hit SOMEBODY & killed them, but it could be proved that it was through no fault of their own, no, they shouldn't face any charges. Again, wtf is your point?

[Aenlic]

If SOMEBODY (you're the one who brought the race of the driver and the victim into this) ran a STOP sign and hit SOMEBODY & killed them, but it could be proved that it was through no fault of their own, no, they shouldn't face any charges. Again, wtf is your point?

If you run a stop sign, because you weren't paying attention, are you not at fault for running the stop sign?

[Don Corleone]

I'm a disabled vet. I transferred my entire disability check to the Red cross last Friday. How about you?

Good for you, I'm proud of you. Slightly out of character for such a misanthrope as yourself, but I'm glad to see you could move beyond.

My wife & I spent last weekend and will spend this coming weekend coordinating shipments from the local foodbank to go the Hurricane afflicted areas. We agreed to raise our non-church related charitable giving from 10% to 15% (which brings my total take-home to ~30% of my salary) and will give the additional 5% to the Salvation Army. We're also on a list offering a room to a family.

By the way, you might want to look into the Red Cross before you go sign your checks over. You might have just made a local chapter president even richer.

[Don Corleone]

If you run a stop sign, because you weren't paying attention, are you not at fault for running the stop sign?

Hmmm, now you're describing negligence. Was the driver at fault or not?

[Don Corleone]

Hmmm, now you're describing negligence. Was the driver at fault or not?

I'm being nitpicky, because it appears you're trying to get me to say "Black driver! White victim! Hang his ass!" I don't think that way and I'm not going to pander to your silly little games that attempt to portray me as doing so. Either the driver, white or black, was responsible for their actions while driving and is therefore is responsible for running a stop sign, and justice calls for some sanction, or they were not. If the driver had a heart attack 30 seconds prior, would you charge them?

[Productivity]

Dumb statement made in a particularly traumatic time - sure she should probably apologise for it and clarrify herself as it was probably pretty hurtful, but I hardly think she needs to be defenestrated for it.

[Don Corleone]

Sorry, I don't have time for you to attempt to be witty. I have to get up and go to work tomorrow. So let's cut to the chase. Black driver, white victim, I'm a Republican... yeah, I'd buy the rope myself to lynch him. Is that what you're looking for? Have a good night. Maybe one day you'll be able to put together a cognizant argument. Looking forward to it....

[Aenlic]

Better than the United Way or some church. The fund was set up by my bank and went directly to the Red Cross fund for the Katrina disaster relief.

Now back to the topic at hand...

In my state, at least, Texas, if you run a stop sign or are speeding or in any way are violating traffic laws and it results in a death, then the charge is manslaughter. Not murder. Murder is intentional. A death which results from neglect in not following the law is manslaughter.

Also, in my state, the chances are pretty much zero of a black man not even being given a ticket for running a stop sign and striking another car broadside at a two way stop, meaning the other car had the right of way as well as the traffic sign being there.

However, in Texas, on November 6th, 1963 on a clear night with no rain at about 8 pm, a chevy sedan ran a stop sign at the intersection of two roads with 55 mph speed limits, struck another car broadside and ejected the other driver breaking his neck and killing him. In the car which ran the stop sign were two 17 year old girls. The driver who ran the stop sign, breaking the law, and killing the other driver was also the daughter of one of the richest and most powerful men in the town. She received no ticket. The records are public, with the police report being released to the media in May of 2000. The space for how fast she was going is blank. The space for the charges is blank. But the fact that she ran the stop sign, the road conditions, the time, and the fact that the accident resulted in the death of the other driver is clear as day. She wasn't even given a ticket for running the stop sign, whereas a black man in 1963 could have expected manslaughter charges at least. Her name? Laura Welch. Her maiden name, that is. She is now Laura Bush. Just another example of typical Bush family obliviousness.

[Azi Tohak]

Meh. If you follow anyone around for a day, and record everything they say, there is not one person who will go a full day without saying either:

A. Something just flat dumb.

B. Something that can be taken out of context to eviscerate them.

...Wait... I did just think of a person. A politician who pays more attention to what the polls tell him to say than what his actual ideas are.

Azi

[Aenlic]

Meh. If you follow anyone around for a day, and record everything they say, there is not one person who will go a full day without saying either:

A. Something just flat dumb.

B. Something that can be taken out of context to eviscerate them.

...Wait... I did just think of a person. A politician who pays more attention to what the polls tell him to say than what his actual ideas are.

Azi

Bush? Oh, wait. No, Bush pays more attention to what Karl Rove tells him to say than to the polls; and he doesn't have any actual ideas. If you hold his head up to your ear, then you can hear the sound of the ocean! No, really! So, you must mean someone else. Cheney? Possibly, but he's probably too busy sitting on the toilet waiting for the laxative to take effect so he won't look so constipated all of the time. Nixon looked more relaxed than Cheney does. Maybe Dennis Hastert? No, he doesn't pay attention to polls, either. Now there's a child molestation story just waiting to hit the papers. I mean, look at the guy! I'll bet his middle name is Wayne. Maybe you mean Bill Frist? There's a good candidate! Takes one look at the polls, eyes the 2008 calendar and drops the party line about stem cells! Is he the one?

Surely you don't mean Clinton! (gasp!) Wasn't he president something like 5 years or so ago? Talk about beating a dead horse! That horse doesn't even have flesh. It's just bones. That clacking sound your hear is the rib cage as you smack it.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Surely you don't mean Clinton! (gasp!) Wasn't he president something like 5 years or so ago? Talk about beating a dead horse! That horse doesn't even have flesh. It's just bones. That clacking sound your hear is the rib cage as you smack it.

Well his bitch is running in a few years and he never shuts his mouth so hes still fair game. Theres a lot more than just bones clacking around.

No, Bush pays more attention to what Karl Rove tells him to say than to the polls; and he doesn't have any actual ideas. If you hold his head up to your ear, then you can hear the sound of the ocean!

And you really believe this. No more need be said.

[PanzerJaeger]

^Dont you have a bridge to crawl under Aenlic? Theres no need to harass every passerby that happens to have an opinion.

If you notice, I limited my obnoxious patronizing to a single post. Thats a habit I highly recommend to you..

[Aenlic]

I hope Hilary Clinton runs. It would be a perfectly pathetic race then.

What would it be? George Allen vs Hilary Clinton? I'd definitely write in Mickey Mouse as the lesser of three evils then.

At least in 2008 we can be sure of one thing. No more Dubya. He can go back to doing this:

[Aenlic]

^Dont you have a bridge to crawl under Aenlic? Theres no need to harass every passerby that happens to have an opinion.

If you notice, I limited my obnoxious patronizing to a single post. Thats a habit I highly recommend to you..

Does this mean you don't love me anymore?

[Xiahou]

Now back to the topic at hand...

In my state, at least, Texas, if you run a stop sign or are speeding or in any way are violating traffic laws and it results in a death, then the charge is manslaughter. Not murder. Murder is intentional. A death which results from neglect in not following the law is manslaughter.

Also, in my state, the chances are pretty much zero of a black man not even being given a ticket for running a stop sign and striking another car broadside at a two way stop, meaning the other car had the right of way as well as the traffic sign being there.

However, in Texas, on November 6th, 1963 on a clear night with no rain at about 8 pm, a chevy sedan ran a stop sign at the intersection of two roads with 55 mph speed limits, struck another car broadside and ejected the other driver breaking his neck and killing him. In the car which ran the stop sign were two 17 year old girls. The driver who ran the stop sign, breaking the law, and killing the other driver was also the daughter of one of the richest and most powerful men in the town. She received no ticket. The records are public, with the police report being released to the media in May of 2000. The space for how fast she was going is blank. The space for the charges is blank. But the fact that she ran the stop sign, the road conditions, the time, and the fact that the accident resulted in the death of the other driver is clear as day. She wasn't even given a ticket for running the stop sign, whereas a black man in 1963 could have expected manslaughter charges at least. Her name? Laura Welch. Her maiden name, that is. She is now Laura Bush. Just another example of typical Bush family obliviousness.

Objection your honor! Relevance?

Honestly, what on earth does this have to do with the topic? And what a circumlocutious, tortured way of getting around to what amounts to "Yeah well, Laura Bush is a killer and got away with it!" I thought this thread was restricted to bashing an 80yr old woman? Apparently it's fair game for any Bush bashing though. Why not trot out Bush's DUI charges too? Oh, and don't forget "Bush lied, people died"!

[Aenlic]

I didn't bring up Laura Bush first.

Actually if anything, it was a circumlocutious way of saying "Laura Bush may have been guilty of manslaughter" not murder. I specifically ruled out murder some posts back.

And since the thread is about whether or not Barbara Bush is an insensitive cow, a discussion of a general attitude of insensitivity, being oblivious to those around them, and insulation in privilege seemed appropriate. Thus, Laura Bush getting away with manslaughter, not even a ticket.

And we could bring up Dubya's DWI. Shall we? Nosepicking in public is more amusing though. It speaks to a certain oblivious unconcern, doesn't it?

This man is our commander in chief! Does this one really need a caption?



At least he's driving instead of her in the next one. The only people who have to worry about being run over by the male Goober in the family are... well, everyone.



And, last but not least, now we know why he was a cheerleader. check out that amazing wrist action!

[Ja'chyra]

Oh, I see this has turned into a nice bitch fight, miaow.

There are so many personally insulting posts in this thread I'm all in a tither on which report button to press first.

Why don't you all go calm down for a while and stop playing "My wanger is bigger then yours"

[Adrian II]

[Ser Clegane]

Wow - this thread certainly went downhill.

Thanks for all meaningful contributions to the topic - and a handful of mud and a virtual kick on the head for all those who took the opportunity to thow some insults.

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