Removing the editing function, an exercise in pointlessness

[Es Arkajae]

Like really, was it even thought through?

What is it supposed to be in any case, a punishment?

Yeah I can imagine someone collapsing into a big weeping puddle of grief over the loss of the editing button...

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*lightning illuminates a dark room on Coruscant capital of the Empire*

Member: "Where is my editing button?, is it... alright?"

Mod: "I'm afraid it didn't survive your second warning"

Member: "No!, Thats impossible! It was fine when I last saw it!"

Member: "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!"

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One would think that the editing function was for the benefit of the entire community, so that they don't have to put up with badly spelled or poorly coded entries and multiple posts making corrections and people enunciating on what they earlier said.

Removing sigs and avatars and such sure thats fine though rather pathetic as any real disincentive, but removing the editing function???


Hey its no skin off my nose, I and anyone else on level 2 or higher will just have to post another post everytime we want to make any significant correction or addition to an earlier post. Hardly difficult.

But in the spirit of being helpful I'd suggest that this particular policy be reviewed, its irrelevent at best.

[Ludens]

It is not irrelevant at all. It is to prevent people from editing insults, forum rules breakages, etc. out of their posts before the moderators see them.

If a flame war breaks out, and one of the participants goes back and edits all his posts, he can claim to be innocent and there is no way for the mods to prove that he actually wrote the offending messages his opponents quote. Therefor known offenders have their edit button disabled. A side effect is that it forces them to think before they post, since they cannot go back and edit it. A lot of insulting messages result more from carelessness than from bad intent.

[Es Arkajae]

It is not irrelevant at all. It is to prevent people from editing insults, forum rules breakages, etc. out of their posts before the moderators see them.

If someone is moderating their own posts and making them more acceptable then that is a good thing. Means less work for the mods and a better policed forum with people policing themselves. The VB code already indicates to everyone when someone has edited their post, and if several people have already seen an insult which someone has then edited out for the purpose of deceit then the mods will be able to use the brains that God gave them to figure it out by asking people in the thread.

Its not bloody rocket science mate.

If a flame war breaks out, and one of the participants goes back and edits all his posts, he can claim to be innocent and there is no way for the mods to prove that he actually wrote the offending messages his opponents quote. Therefor known offenders have their edit button disabled. A side effect is that it forces them to think before they post, since they cannot go back and edit it.

I've addressed this above. I'd add that the number of times I've ever come across this supposed 'problem' you raise in all my time on the internet is ONCE in the space of 5 years. And then the problem was easily solved by pointing to the "last edited on" notice and I was swiftly backed up by several others who had also seen it.

A lot of insulting messages result more from carelessness than from bad intent.

...And this is supposed to be an argument for removing the editing function.

I literally laughed out loud when I found out the reason for the edit button being removed, thats how silly it is

As I said no skin off my nose, but I've failed to see any convincing arguments for the measure so far in this thread.

[Mikeus Caesar]

I've learnt to live without the edit button. It's not that much of a punishment, more of a badge of pride.

[Simetrical]

I'd add that the number of times I've ever come across this supposed 'problem' you raise in all my time on the internet is ONCE in the space of 5 years. And then the problem was easily solved by pointing to the "last edited on" notice and I was swiftly backed up by several others who had also seen it.

I completely agree with that. I've only come across this once at TWC, and it was easy to spot. If someone has been warned before, then they don't deserve the benefit of the doubt in any case.

[PanzerJaeger]

Taking away my ability to edit has probably been the toughest punishment I could be dealt on an internet forum. I miss it far more than my signature.

I constantly wish I could change something I said, and the loss of that ability is a big "punishment".

[Papewaio]

So you find not being able to edit a punishment?

And you can't edit because you were well behaved?

Same thing happens to Junior Members.

It allows us to see the full post and in context.

[Duke John]

People who cannot edit their posts should use the preview button. It's not exactly rocket science...

[Mikeus Caesar]

I'm lazy...and even if i did use preview a few mistakes would slip in. They're just annoying mistakes such as getting a few letters in the wrong place e.g. thier or cna, which you only end up noticing in the first few seconds you view your posted post.

[Es Arkajae]

People who cannot edit their posts should use the preview button. It's not exactly rocket science...

Well A) The measure as the thread title states remains pointless if not laughable, I've still seen no sensible reason for it and indeed several against it.

And B) I'm not exactly a person who cares enough about it to stop being a lazy bastard. Thus I shall just have to choose in future to inflict more posts on you all than I would otherwise make correcting at whim any mistakes I deem worthy of such. Afterall going from what has been said here you guys want all the gory details of my ongoing war with proper grammar and lucidity, who am I to deny your reasonable request!



And panzerjager if that wasn't sarcasm than you are officially a very sad person

[Duke John]

Well the problem isn't being lazy, it's being bad!

When do you lose your editing ability, after your first warning? Perhaps it should be raised to 2 or 3 warnings. 1 is "easy" to get for people with their heart on their tongue and for normal people that first warning is punishment enough. I know I wouldn't be proud of myself if one of the Org moderators gave a warning. Getting a second/third warning would lessen that feeling and a loss of the editing function wouldn't make the warning empty. The fourth makes it publicly visible that you really have trouble to understand the rules.

But what IMO is more laughable is that people who do not understand the rules of this forum think that they can change them.

[Es Arkajae]

Well the problem isn't being lazy, it's being bad!

Not the mods being thin skinned weenies obsessed with weak babble for the sake of inane consensus?

When do you lose your editing ability, after your first warning? Perhaps it should be raised to 2 or 3 warnings. 1 is "easy" to get for people with their heart on their tongue and for normal people that first warning is punishment enough. I know I wouldn't be proud of myself if one of the Org moderators gave a warning. Getting a second/third warning would lessen that feeling and a loss of the editing function wouldn't make the warning empty. The fourth makes it publicly visible that you really have trouble to understand the rules.

What punishment?, as a 'punishment' its fairly pathetic as already pointed out, I certainly fail to see any disincentive in it. As far as function goes it would be like a cop fining a speeding driver by removing his speedometer, so its also rather unintelligent.

But what IMO is more laughable is that people who do not understand the rules of this forum think that they can change them.

"A forum where we can talk about the Org forums. It's your chance to influence Org's policy"

Careful John, you're beginning to sound humourous.

And so we still have no solid reasoning behind the measure in this thread, the 'malicious editing' excuse was rather weak, and the 'as a punishment' aspect deserves only derision for any effectiveness such would have.

[The Stranger]

It is not irrelevant at all. It is to prevent people from editing insults, forum rules breakages, etc. out of their posts before the moderators see them.

If a flame war breaks out, and one of the participants goes back and edits all his posts, he can claim to be innocent and there is no way for the mods to prove that he actually wrote the offending messages his opponents quote. Therefor known offenders have their edit button disabled. A side effect is that it forces them to think before they post, since they cannot go back and edit it. A lot of insulting messages result more from carelessness than from bad intent.

but i'm not a known offender...i just spam allot and i lost my edit button tooo

[TosaInu]

Not the mods being thin skinned weenies obsessed with weak babble for the sake of inane consensus?

Some people are that indeed, and so this board is putting some emphasis on talking with each other in a civilised manner. Some tough people are a bit weak in the head though and fail to adjust their language when posting here. This is why this community changed from 100% open to a closed kindergarten ruled by the morally corrupted reicarnation of Stalin(TM)(C)(R) who should Incompatible language.

Instead of just kicking incompatible entities like yourself into oblivion, nannies are investing good time to make you comply here. How hard is it not to curse in church when you go there by free will?

You are right that the punishment effect is pretty weak, yet several people like yourself cry when it's disabled for them. But such is the nature of incompatible entities: act tough but whenever there's backfire. It isn't there as punishment, but it helps staff to spot persistent incompatible entities. This site has over 6 years of experiences and saw many cases.

Ask other people who started? lol. Incompatible entities have friends too. Entire incompatible gangs, together with lawyers and easy to manipulate soft heads. When things go incompatible, the fingers will point to Cute Johnny boy who finally lost control. So, we want to see for ourselves and take action to improve compatibility.

I've taken time to review the posts you were warned for, there's no other conclusion than that you failed the compatibility test. My wackeron gland is very active these days, so bye bye.

[Ser Clegane]

Can't say that I am surprised by the direction this thread has taken...

[Adrian II]

Can't say that I am surprised by the direction this thread has taken...

Was it going anywhere in the first place?

[Ser Clegane]

Was it going anywhere in the first place?

Apparently for one person it was.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

I've learnt to live without the edit button. It's not that much of a punishment, more of a badge of pride.

Yes, I always wanted a warning level one...PLEEASSEEEEEEEEEEEEE .

[Mouzafphaerre]

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OMG! Another execution. These guys must have tried so hard to push Tosa thus far.
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[Mikeus Caesar]

Not the mods being thin skinned weenies obsessed with weak babble for the sake of inane consensus?

Tut tut....not even i push it that far and call mods thin skinned weenies. Especially in a thread regularly viewed by the king of the site himself, Tosa. Shame on you Es Arkajae, you give an even badder name to law breakers everywhere.

[Big_John]

My wackeron gland is very active these days, so bye bye.

is that any way to treat a "Guest"? get it?? haha.. i kill me.

[Papewaio]

What punishment?, as a 'punishment' its fairly pathetic as already pointed out, I certainly fail to see any disincentive in it. As far as function goes it would be like a cop fining a speeding driver by removing his speedometer, so its also rather unintelligent.

If it is so mild a punishment why are you complaining about it?

If it was mild you wouldn't even notice?

If it is not a disincentive why are you so eager to get rid of it?

Actually as far as the cop thing is concerned it is like putting a speeding camera in the car and recording every deviation from the road code.

[Del Arroyo]

This thread only confirms my suspicions that Moderators either became moderators for a REASON or are warped psychologically by their position.

DA

[Del Arroyo]

Wow, my edit button is gone now too. When did that happen??

[Papewaio]

This thread only confirms my suspicions that Moderators either became moderators for a REASON or are warped psychologically by their position.

DA

Oh definitly pre-warped... that is why we have had so many Aussies Moderators over the years

[King Henry V]

But doesn't removing the editing button almost promote spam, since people have to write a new post to correct the previous one, thus upping their post count?

[The Stranger]

yeah...what

[The Stranger]

shit no xtra PCount here

[TosaInu]

But doesn't removing the editing button almost promote spam, since people have to write a new post to correct the previous one, thus upping their post count?

Could be, but spotting persistent incompatible accounts has a higher priority.

[Ludens]

But doesn't removing the editing button almost promote spam, since people have to write a new post to correct the previous one, thus upping their post count?

True, but hopefully they will learn to preview and edit their post before submitting them.