Lancer or Gothic Knight?

[|C|Gaheris_I]

Hello all,
i am new to this forum and would like to ask any mtw players this question. Do you prefer Gothic knights or Lancers???

Personally Lancers are my favourate, but i only play mp...so they are good for swiping etc...
where as the gothic knights are slow but pack a punch.
i prefer speed...what do you think???

[Knight Templar]

Tehnically:

C-charge
At-attack (melee)
D-defense
Ar-armour

Got knights- C 4, At 4, D 7, Ar 9, speed (march, run, charge) 9,12,16
Lancers- C 8, At 5, D 7, Ar 9, speed 9,20,22

Lancers have a bit better characteristics, they're faster and have better attack, can be trained in already in high period. However, GK are better against heavily armoured units. So, I think they're equally excellent

[econ21]

I agree with Gaheris_I, I'd go for the speed of the lancers.

However, I must confess I find the unit very irritating.

Firstly, it makes no sense that it is faster than the GK when their armour is the same.

Second, it appears an era too early (IIRC, High rather than late).

And thirdly, it is available to the Spanish, who if anything tended to have rather lighter armoured knights than, say, the English or the French, who are strangely restricted to having Chivalric Knights.

I wonder has anyone done a "Rome Total Realism" or EB type mod for MTW that gets rid of this kind of aberration? I know WesW has done a lot of unit changes with his MedMod, but at least initially his priority was gameplay rather than historical accuracy.

[|C|Gaheris_I]

Thank you for those comments. I look forward to see what you other mtw fans think

[Dutch_guy]

Well prefer Lancers, have more experience with them than with GK.

@ Simon , don't recall hearing about a Realism mod for MTW, but I don't really have a good opinion on any MTW mods since I don't have the VI expansion yet

[|C|Gaheris_I]

yes could i have the address to that site as well please ??

[phred]

but I don't really have a good opinion on any MTW mods since I don't have the VI expansion yet

Sorry, off topic but
The Patrician mod was made for plain MTW (pre-VI)
Its fun for a while. It's an ancient Rome mod.
here's a link http://dlx.gamespot.com/dl.html?id=6093031

[ichi]

Lancers are tough and can beat other cav one on one, but the Gothics armor-piercing mace allows GKs to take out Lancers.'

Gothics are slow, but so are Kats and Camels. Set a unit of Gothics on your flank on Hold Form and you will have some time before they collapse, even if that side gets swamped.

Lancers seem to be better attackers than Gothicsdue to their speed and higher att bonus.

Online Lancers can be deadly, but the consensus is that Gothics beat Lancers.

ichi

BTW One of the reasons that VI eliminated swiping is because it was seen as an exploitation of a game flaw. I wont go so far as to call swipers 'cheaters'. Anybody can swipe so I guess its not cheating to swipe, but . . .

I've seen a 1 rank deep unit of gothis cut through a unit 3 deep, which isnt realistic. The use of swiping requires that you try to trick the computer and gain an advantage that A) the bulk of the MTW community feels is cheesy and B) even the game developers felt is was an exploitation of a flaw and took it out.

Now I realize that there will always be swiping in MTW, and that there will be some people who not only use it, but they rely on it and even boast about it.

Swiping is cheap. It is an exploitation of a bug. By relying on it players hurt themselves because they don't learn real techniques. Swiping isn't honorable, IMHO. If you need to win so bad that you'll swipe, well . . . .

[Zarax]

Imho, lancers are like western Katanks, while GK are the ultimate anti armour unit.

Their should play different roles in the battlefield, where lancers does the usual charge-pull out-charge routine while GK are more apt to slugfests (especially GFK), as pure armour killers.

[Grey_Fox]

I agree completely with Ichi.

[AggonyDuck]

Yup, I too agree with Ichi. Swiping was a real game ruiner back in the days of MTW and shouldn't really be exploited, because it actually is cpable of truly ruining the balance of the game.

[|C|Gaheris_I]

yes ichi i agree swiping has gone too far and it is too easy to wipe out units with a single charge. its a shame i hate vi.

[TosaInu]

Wasn't swiping removed in patched MTW VI? Together with several other exploits/inbalances?

I think MTW VI is the best Totalwar product... I was afk, sorry.. regarding battle stats and the option to mod them. It's having weaker, but also stronger points compared to the other products STW (+MI) and RTW (weather, seasons, pseudo real time strategy). But I think VI only improved compared to MTW.

What do you like more about MTW than VI |C|Gaheris_I?

[Mouzafphaerre]

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I think MTW VI is the best Totalwar product.

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[Uesugi Kenshin]

I agree, VI only improved upon MTW, which was a great game to begin with. I especially like all the units added to the full campaigns and would have to say that that is my favorite improvement, but I never had to deal with swiping sooooooo...

[Zarax]

VI is also an excellent foundation you can build on, my small ZX mod is all focused on taking what VI offers to the edge, improving balance and AI and using the extra units in a more gameplay friendly way