Who do you think was the best leader during WWII?
I don't want to offend anyone but I voted for Hitler because I believe that Hitler did the best in turning around his country from being a third world country with limited military into probably the best economically sound and strong country in a limited amount of time so that is why I believe Hitler was probably the best leader during WWII.
What, Hirohito didn't make the list?
Hehe, if the author of the poll cannot even remember the names of the "Italian Dictator" and the "French President" - I doubt they are going to make much of an impact in said poll.![]()
As soon as I saw "Italian dictator" and "French president" I started looking for a "gah" option.![]()
"Dee dee dee!" - Annoymous (the "differently challenged" and much funnier twin of Anonymous)
No Gah! no Vote!
USA... their standard of living went up during WWII.
Where did the great Axis leaders lead their countries to?
One country ended up bisected in half with a wall through its capital.
The other ended up living up to its name of the Rising Sun not once but twice as it was the first country to have nuclear weapons dropped on them.
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Australia had a interesting side effect of all the Italian prisoners of war they picked up... they ended up being released into the local community to work, the cane farmers found them such good workers that they ended up being married into the families... they must have been the best treated POWs.
A few of those entries needed names...![]()
Tojo, Chiang Kai-Shek, Mao, and Truman were all considered "major" players at the time (we can forgive the absence of Atlee), but not listed.
The USA really blossomed as a result of the war, as the 1950s showed, and Russia became a superpower (hollow, but no one knew/believed that), but I think a good argument could be made for either Sweden or Switzerland, who smugly played off both sides against one another and came out of the war with roaring economies themselves -- without significant casualties. Some brains involved there.
Seamus
"The only way that has ever been discovered to have a lot of people cooperate together voluntarily is through the free market. And that's why it's so essential to preserving individual freedom.” -- Milton Friedman
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." -- H. L. Mencken
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"The essence of philosophy is to ask the eternal question that has no answer" (Aristotel) . "Yes !!!" (me) .
"Its time we stop worrying, and get angry you know? But not angry and pick up a gun, but angry and open our minds." (Tupac Amaru Shakur)
I would vote for the other.Marshall Mannerheim of Finland.He had only bad choises to choose from during the war and managed his post better then well.![]()
Ja Mata Tosainu Sama.
Not a bad vote. He did lose both the direct conflict with the Sovs (because of #s not quality) and by siding with the Krauts for so long, but his range of options did more or less suck. Others would probably have done a lot worse.Originally Posted by kagemusha
Seamus
"The only way that has ever been discovered to have a lot of people cooperate together voluntarily is through the free market. And that's why it's so essential to preserving individual freedom.” -- Milton Friedman
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." -- H. L. Mencken
Were there not 2 French presidents, That of the Free French Government in Exile, and of Vichy France?
It was not theirs to reason why,
It was not theirs to make reply,
It was theirs but to do or die.
-The Charge of the Light Brigade - Alfred, Lord Tennyson
"Wherever this stone shall lie, the King of the Scots shall rule"
-Prophecy of the Stone of Destiny
"For God, For King and country, For loved ones home and Empire, For the sacred cause of justice, and The freedom of the world, They buried him among the kings because he, Had done good toward God and toward his house."
-Inscription on the Tomb of the Unknown Warrior
Until 1958 , the president in France was like the king in Britain today . the power was in the hands of the P.M. .Originally Posted by King Malcolm
"The essence of philosophy is to ask the eternal question that has no answer" (Aristotel) . "Yes !!!" (me) .
"Its time we stop worrying, and get angry you know? But not angry and pick up a gun, but angry and open our minds." (Tupac Amaru Shakur)
i dont think you must only state nation leaders...i mean churchill sucked as a general but was a great leader...or is this in general...i think the question is to general![]()
We do not sow.
Italian "Dictator"- Mussolini (Great Man)
French President: First it was Daladier, but for the majority of the war, it was De Gualle.
I'm probably going to have to say Mussolini, because my political beleifs fall closest to his own (I'm more leftwing in some aspects, more right in others). Hitler, with the exception of the Holocost, wasn't a bad leader either, though his economic policies are too, well, socialist for me.
Why do you hate Freedom?
The US is marching backward to the values of Michael Stivic.
I would say Churchill. He was the most inspirational, the one who boosted morale the most at a time when morale would have been very low otherwise.
"Look I’ve got my old pledge card a bit battered and crumpled we said we’d provide more turches churches teachers and we have I can remember when people used to say the Japanese are better than us the Germans are better than us the French are better than us well it’s great to be able to say we’re better than them I think Mr Kennedy well we all congratulate on his baby and the Tories are you remembering what I’m remembering boom and bust negative equity remember Mr Howard I mean are you thinking what I’m thinking I’m remembering it’s all a bit wonky isn’t it?"
-Wise words from John Prescott
Stalin plunged his country into economic disaster. Oh, sure, his friends and the scientists did real well, but think about the peasants, the regular soldiers...Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube
Originally Posted by Kaiser of Arabia
Belive me Kaiser , I am really trying to understand this , really . how can any one say that he was great , best , good etc'
After 12 years , Germany was hell . 10,000,000 people less , divided , no economy , no nothing , so how can he be some thing positive ? What , his craziness ? his madness ? His hatred to any thing except himself ? His beauty ? His nose ? His hair ? His vision of smashing all minorities ? His belief in Satanism ? His prosecutions against Jew and Christians ? His militarism ? His boots ? His stupid swastica ? His ideas about Aryans ? What ?
Again I say , tell me some thing new (not the "all the Germans had jobs" thing) , some thing to make me understand how people think of him as a good thing .
"The essence of philosophy is to ask the eternal question that has no answer" (Aristotel) . "Yes !!!" (me) .
"Its time we stop worrying, and get angry you know? But not angry and pick up a gun, but angry and open our minds." (Tupac Amaru Shakur)
His moustache.![]()
And Hitler didn't invent the Swastika. If there are Celtic pagans here, you would have just REALLY offended some of them. Calling the swastika stupid is like calling the cross stupid (except God is real. The Celtic gods aren't.). Its insulting a religous symbol someone pirated.
Originally Posted by evil_maniac from mars
Read the post again , I have said "his swastica" not the pagan Celts swastica , btw , all 3 of them ?
Vercings , Lorgincs and Kertanics - I am sorry if I offended you .
"The essence of philosophy is to ask the eternal question that has no answer" (Aristotel) . "Yes !!!" (me) .
"Its time we stop worrying, and get angry you know? But not angry and pick up a gun, but angry and open our minds." (Tupac Amaru Shakur)
And the Hindus... Don't forget the Hindus. And a whole lot of other people.
But I fail to see the difference between Hitler's swastika and the swastika of the Samnites for instance. It is hardly a good argument, and he did mention the Holocaust as being bad.
You may not care about war, but war cares about you!
delete, rather pointless
Last edited by Evil_Maniac From Mars; 09-10-2005 at 00:20.
He brought back to Germany somthing they had lost after World War One, Pride. And that means more than any amount of lives or money.Originally Posted by caesar44
Why do you hate Freedom?
The US is marching backward to the values of Michael Stivic.
You mean irrational fascist nationalism? And yes, it seems to mean more than any amount of lives or money.Originally Posted by Kaiser of Arabia
We're talking about the 20th century here.
Ok people... take a step backwards and read again. This is about the leaders DURING WWII. So whatever they did before the 1st of September 39 at the very earliest (and later for a number of others) simply does not count.
Stalin's purges and the 5-years plan? Out the window with that.
Hitler's strengthening of Germany and he return to major power status? Boot it.
ect ect.
You get the point?
You may not care about war, but war cares about you!
Hitler turned the swastika sideways and made it crooked and I never said that Hitler was a good man I just said that he made his country stronger militarily and economically and if WWII is anyones fault it is the French and British for not invading Germany when they had the chance.
I'm really sorry for forgetting Japan on this list and I did know Mussolini's name it just slipped my mind at the time and I don't really care who the French President was and I thank everyone for voting and posting in my thread thank you.
I voted Winston, he was solid as a rock, but I also feel Stalin did
make some wise decisions regarding generals for the army, and 'driving' them
to accomplish their missions. Hitler did more to hurt as a leader and Roosevelt
was leader of a wakened 'beast'.
PB-PL Commander/CC2 Commander/MTW Commander
Originally Posted by Kaiser of Arabia
What can I say ? Maybe heil Hitler ?
"The essence of philosophy is to ask the eternal question that has no answer" (Aristotel) . "Yes !!!" (me) .
"Its time we stop worrying, and get angry you know? But not angry and pick up a gun, but angry and open our minds." (Tupac Amaru Shakur)
Originally Posted by Kraxis
Chee , thanks !!!
"The essence of philosophy is to ask the eternal question that has no answer" (Aristotel) . "Yes !!!" (me) .
"Its time we stop worrying, and get angry you know? But not angry and pick up a gun, but angry and open our minds." (Tupac Amaru Shakur)
Hitler
They were all idiots, especially Hitler and Stalin. Churchill didn't do anything, the Americans took him from the grave.
Truman and Roosevelt, especially the last one, are something. And Hirohito.
Ja mata, TosaInu. You will forever be remembered.
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