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    Default Another take on the man-made disaster

    I like this one. I think it is a good alternate view-point on what the heck happened. Is it going to be popular? Nope! (Mods, don't you love it when someone starts a thread by saying that?)

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    Subject: Katrina is A Welfare Disaster!

    An Unnatural Disaster; A Hurricane Exposes The Man-Made Disaster of the Welfare State

    by Robert Tracinski Sep 02, 2005

    It has taken four long days for state and federal officials to figure out how to deal with the disaster in New Orleans. I can't blame them, because it has also taken me four long days to figure out what is going on there. The reason is that the events there make no sense if you think that we are confronting a natural disaster.

    If this is just a natural disaster, the response for public officials is obvious: you bring in food, water, and doctors; you send transportation to evacuate refugees to temporary shelters; you send engineers to stop the flooding and rebuild the city's infrastructure. For journalists, natural disasters also have a familiar pattern: the heroism of ordinary people pulling together to survive; the hard work and dedication of doctors, nurses, and rescue workers; the steps being taken to clean up and rebuild.

    Public officials did not expect that the first thing they would have to do is to send thousands of armed troops in armored vehicle, as if they are suppressing an enemy insurgency. And journalists--myself included--did not expect that the story would not be about rain, wind, and flooding, but about rape, murder, and looting.

    But this is not a natural disaster. It is a man-made disaster.

    The man-made disaster is not an inadequate or incompetent response by federal relief agencies, and it was not directly caused by Hurricane Katrina. This is where just about every newspaper and television channel has gotten the story wrong.

    The man-made disaster we are now witnessing in New Orleans did not happen over the past four days. It happened over the past four decades. Hurricane Katrina merely exposed it to public view.

    The man-made disaster is the welfare state.

    For the past few days, I have found the news from New Orleans to be confusing. People were not behaving, as you would expect them to behave in an emergency--indeed, they were not behaving as they have behaved in other emergencies. That is what has shocked so many people: they have been saying that this is not what we expect from America. In fact, it is not even what we expect from a Third World country.

    When confronted with a disaster, people usually rise to the occasion. They work together to rescue people in danger, and they spontaneously organize to keep order and solve problems. This is especially true in America. We are an enterprising people, used to relying on our own initiative rather than waiting around for the government to take care of us. I have seen this a hundred times. In small examples (a small town whose main traffic light had gone out, causing ordinary citizens to get out of their cars and serve as impromptu traffic cops, directing cars through the intersection) and large ones (the spontaneous response of New Yorkers to September 11).

    So what explains the chaos in New Orleans?

    To give you an idea of the magnitude of what is going on, here is a description from a Washington Times story:

    "Storm victims are raped and beaten; fights erupt with flying fists, knives and guns; fires are breaking out; corpses litter the streets; and police and rescue helicopters are repeatedly fired on.

    "The plea from Mayor C. Ray Nagin came even as National Guardsmen poured in to restore order and stop the looting, carjackings and gunfire....

    "Last night, Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco said 300 Iraq-hardened Arkansas National Guard members were inside New Orleans with shoot-to-kill orders.

    " 'These troops are...under my orders to restore order in the streets,' she said. 'They have M-16s, and they are locked and loaded. These troops know how to shoot and kill and they are more than willing to do so if necessary and I expect they will.' "

    The reference to Iraq is eerie. The photo that accompanies this article shows National Guard troops, with rifles and armored vests, riding on an armored vehicle through trash-strewn streets lined by a rabble of squalid, listless people, one of whom appears to be yelling at them. It looks exactly like a scene from Sadr City in Baghdad.

    What explains bands of thugs using a natural disaster as an excuse for an orgy of looting, armed robbery, and rape? What causes unruly mobs to storm the very buses that have arrived to evacuate them, causing the drivers to drive away, frightened for their lives? What causes people to attack the doctors trying to treat patients at the Super Dome?

    Why are people responding to natural destruction by causing further destruction? Why are they attacking the people who are trying to help them?

    My wife, Sherri, figured it out first, and she figured it out on a sense-of-life level. While watching the coverage last night on Fox News Channel, she told me that she was getting a familiar feeling. She studied architecture at the Illinois Institute of Chicago, which is located in the South Side of Chicago just blocks away from the Robert Taylor Homes, one of the largest high-rise public housing projects in America. "The projects," as they were known, were infamous for uncontrollable crime and irremediable squalor. (They have since, mercifully, been demolished.)

    What Sherri was getting from last night's television coverage was a whiff of the sense of life of "the projects." Then the "crawl"--the informational phrases flashed at the bottom of the screen on most news channels--gave some vital statistics to confirm this sense: 75% of the residents of New Orleans had already evacuated before the hurricane, and of the 300,000 or so who remained, a large number were from the city's public housing projects. Jack Wakeland then gave me an additional, crucial fact: early reports from CNN and Fox indicated that the city had no plan for evacuating all of the prisoners in the city's jails--so they just let many of them loose. There is no doubt a significant overlap between these two populations--that is, a large number of people in the jails used to live in the housing projects, and vice versa.

    There were many decent, innocent people trapped in New Orleans when the deluge hit--but they were trapped alongside large numbers of people from two groups: criminals--and wards of the welfare state, people selected, over decades, for their lack of initiative and self-induced helplessness. The welfare wards were a mass of sheep--on whom the incompetent administration of New Orleans unleashed a pack of wolves.

    All of this is related, incidentally, to the apparent incompetence of the city government, which failed to plan for a total evacuation of the city, despite the knowledge that this might be necessary. But in a city corrupted by the welfare state, the job of city officials is to ensure the flow of handouts to welfare recipients and patronage to political supporters--not to ensure a lawful, orderly evacuation in case of emergency.

    No one has really reported this story, as far as I can tell. In fact, some are already actively distorting it, blaming President Bush, for example, for failing to personally ensure that the Mayor of New Orleans had drafted an adequate evacuation plan. The worst example is an execrable piece from the Toronto Globe and Mail, by a supercilious Canadian who blames the chaos on American "individualism." But the truth is precisely the opposite: the chaos was caused by a system that was the exact opposite of individualism.

    What Hurricane Katrina exposed was the psychological consequences of the welfare state. What we consider "normal" behavior in an emergency is behavior that is normal for people who have values and take the responsibility to pursue and protect them. People with values respond to a disaster by fighting against it and doing whatever it takes to overcome the difficulties they face. They don't sit around and complain that the government hasn't taken care of them. They don't use the chaos of a disaster as an opportunity to prey on their fellow men.

    But what about criminals and welfare parasites? Do they worry about saving their houses and property? They don't, because they don't own anything. Do they worry about what is going to happen to their businesses or how they are going to make a living? They never worried about those things before. Do they worry about crime and looting? But living off of stolen wealth is a way of life for them.

    The welfare state--and the brutish, uncivilized mentality it sustains and encourages--is the man-made disaster that explains the moral ugliness that has swamped New Orleans. And that is the story that no one is reporting.
    I'm not so sure I need to say anything more after this.

    Enjoy!

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    Uh.....

    He's making a point about welfare.....

    Then entirely torpedoing it by pointing out that they let all the criminals out of jail.

    When you've just released all your felons, you don't need to look too hard for why there is a crime problem.

    "OMG, we just let all the rapists, robbers and murderers out with the poor people who just had their entire life washed away and now there are rapes, robbings and murders. OMG it's the poor peoples fault!!!!!". What kind of messed up logic is this???
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    America is a very gilded country.

    Just like Rome, for the smart with initiative it represents the ultimate in wealth and success. Like no other place on earth, people can be successful based on their own merits. While a class system of course exists, you will find most of the upper class at some point in their ancestry were poor and overcame. People come from all around the world to escape their own rigid class systems and make a life based on their own hard work and intelligence.

    Also like Rome, there are the unwashed masses. These are the people who are dependent on the modern day 'bread and circuses' in the form of welfare checks. They not only depend, but expect government to do for them. These people are supported by the upper-classes more out of a desire to keep them fat and happy than any sort of sympathy. They can live out their miserable lives peacefully rather than causing successful society problems.

    When those with initiative evacuated and these people's nanny(state) jumped the last riverboat out of New Orleans, they were forced to come to the realization that they might actually have to take some initiative and act on their own. Of course this was not a conscious decision, but rather a primitive, instinctual reaction to being cut loose after so many years being coddled by big government.

    Many liberals are lamenting over the perceived slow response of the federal government to help these people. Many conservatives are lamenting over the total lack of individual organization, respect and dignity shown by those in New Orleans.

    Why does a lack of government for just a few hours or even days lead to such a breakdown of society? Is it because the vast and overflowing tits of big government were woven into the fabric of these people's lives too deeply? Have they become so totally dependent on the Nanny State that they cannot operate as normal human beings without its constant supportive presence?

    It is assured that if all of the people in the superdome were previously successful, self-made individuals that actually paid taxes instead of got paid other people's taxes, the results would have been much different. When faced with a challenge, these self-reliants would show a marked improvement in organization and civility, among other things.

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    Isnt this what Ive been saying all along?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube
    Although in my opinion, the political state of new orleans was objectionable, the "welfare state" has nothing to do with the lack of response.

    In an ideal and free America, the government would still have a hard time convincing people to pitch in--and, to compound that, the government would have no authority to commandeer anything in order to assist the disaster.

    You want better response time to Katrina? Then you want Big Government. In an ideal world, the only thing that could have sped things up would have been more concise warnings given before hand, and the goodwill of the people to pitch in.
    That's not true. In an ideal and free America, the people of NO would have performed like... say... the people of Indonesia, Sri Lanka etc after that horrific tsunami. Or how about how my own region (the midwest) acts after a big tornado comes through? Sure, there has never (to my knowledge) been a tornado that has totally wiped out a city of millions... but not too many years ago a tornado obliterated a suburb of Wichita, KS. No looting, no rioting, no shooting, just people trying to recover from a disaster. And no, the suburb (Derby maybe? I can't remember right now) wasn't made of rich people. It was just another small town that happened to be close to Wichita. I'm not so sure the city has recovered yet, but that was a natural, not man-made disaster like NO. The people in the suburb did not wait and assume the government would baby them. They understood they needed to do something themselves.

    And how exactly does making the state responsible for itself (your idea of government right GC?) lead to Big Government? In an ideal world the Mayor of NO and the Governor of the state would not have been living under a bloody rock about the possibility they are going to get crushed. With the tornado example above, there is no warning of days for a tornado. They just pop out of the sky and smash whatever they want. And effective response came from people working together, not shooting at each other.

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    As said earlier, and in a lot of topics, if some kind of catastroph similar to Katrina hit an European country with an important welfare state, I'm fairly sure we would *not* see mass rape, gang fights and lootings all over the place.

    While watching the coverage last night on Fox News Channel
    It basically explains everything. Now, I'm waiting for someone to quote an extreme left media saying that the disaster happened because of the lack of Welfare State.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube
    You want better response time to Katrina? Then you want Big Government.
    I don’t think a better response would come from “big” government. If anything “big” government would be counter productive. I think what’s needed to get better anything from the government is to have better leadership; everything else should fall into place.

    It seems like the “bar” for government leaders has been raised all the way to “half ass” and anyone that can reach it is doing great. Are all the great leaders in the corporate/private sector leaving only red tape creating sheep bureaucrats to run our country?

    The government failed the people in NO by giving them too much and then by not giving them enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
    Isnt this what Ive been saying all along?
    I'm curious, what's the good libertarian (and/or state rights) response about the Katrina disaster? And the follow up.

    And was NY a welfare state in 1977? LA in 1992? Seattle 2002? Didn't know that
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ironside
    I'm curious, what's the good libertarian (and/or state rights) response about the Katrina disaster? And the follow up.

    And was NY a welfare state in 1977? LA in 1992? Seattle 2002? Didn't know that
    Urban areas tend to vote Democratic anymore...so most cities can expect this sort of picture painting in the future. It's blame the victim week.
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    The images you are seeing on television, you are seeing over and over and over. It's the same picture of some person walking out of some shop with a box of diapers and you see it twenty times. And you think, my goodness, were there that many diapers? Is it possible that there were that many diapers in the whole city?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AdrianII
    It's the same picture of some person walking out of some shop with a box of diapers and you see it twenty times. And you think, my goodness, were there that many diapers? Is it possible that there were that many diapers in the whole city?
    Going off on a tangent, looting diapers I can understand. Food, water, diapers ... the essentials of life. The sewer system of NO had broken down - no need to make it worse.

    A little less flippantly, I have done a U-turn on the whole looting issue. The Tuesday after the hurricane, I thought it was outrageous. However, maybe like many people - including the authorities - I did not understand the full scale of the crisis. Now, seeing how the survivors in NO were to be left without essentials for days, the looting seems almost prescient. I heard today a report of NO policemen telling people to help themselves to anything in a local Walmart. I still have absolutely no time for people enriching themselves by looting non-essentials. But like those NO policemen, I'd be directing any survivors to take what they need while its there.

    I'd be interested to see an accounting of the criminality and lawlessness in NO in a few months time. I suspect it will show much less thuggery than is implied by the suspiciously fact-lite article that opens this thread.

    For me, the real lesson of Hurricane Katrina is not that the people abandoned order for anarchy, but rather that the people themselves were abandoned by those in power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azi Tohak
    I like this one. I think it is a good alternate view-point on what the heck happened. Is it going to be popular? Nope! (Mods, don't you love it when someone starts a thread by saying that?)



    I'm not so sure I need to say anything more after this.

    Enjoy!

    Azi
    Lets see some have already pointed out what is wrong with the article and what they believe is correct.

    It seems to me however that the author of the article left out certain aspects of the culture of New Orleans and that the level of corruption of the police and city governmental office has left a severe problem on the city streets.

    To much wanting to blame the poor who remained in the city - verus focusing on the failures of all levels of government in planning, preparring and executing emergancy response plans.

    Did the welfare state mentallity have a part to play in the looting - my belief is that it did. However that is just a minor part of the tragedity that is New Orleans after Katrina.
    O well, seems like 'some' people decide to ruin a perfectly valid threat. Nice going guys... doc bean

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    The article merely says "WELFARE STATE WELFARE STATE WELFARE STATE!!!" about twenty times, and then, without any supporting evidence whatsoever (beyond his wife's musings on similarities to the South Side of Chicago), leaves us to accept his foregone conclusion-- it must be the welfare state!

    Bull. If you're going to cut and past, Azi, cut and paste something the reflects at least a Junior High level of scholarship.

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    My Mum says NO flooded because I looked at naughty pictures on the internet.

    I rest my case.
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