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  1. 09-09-2005, 18:59 #1
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    Default The Old Hardcoded Enemy

    Forgive me for losing touch with the developments in the modding community...

    Has that old annoying problem of spearmen not being able to bear secondary swords been solved? It's just that I notice quite a few EB units that could benefit from having a sword secondary...
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    Default Re: The Old Hardcoded Enemy

    I thought that was solved in the patch...
    Anyway, we do have spearmen with secondary weapons, I'm almost certain!

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    Default Re: The Old Hardcoded Enemy

    No, the patch has not solved the sword+spear non-phalanx bug issue. But there are ways around the problem...
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  4. 09-09-2005, 19:26 #4
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    Default Re: The Old Hardcoded Enemy

    Well, I was close.

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    Default Re: The Old Hardcoded Enemy

    wich ways? phalanx formation?
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    Default Re: The Old Hardcoded Enemy

    nope. Secondary weapon must use the same animation as the primary weapon.


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    Default Re: The Old Hardcoded Enemy

    well..that would mean the hypaspistai use their spear as a baseball-bat...interesting..
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    Default Re: The Old Hardcoded Enemy

    it's like a bo-staff with a point on the end!
    now i'm here, and history is vindicated.
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    Default Re: The Old Hardcoded Enemy

    yeah..either pikemen will swing their piek around. or will use their short-sword with 2 hands and stab...
    might get confusing..
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    Default Re: The Old Hardcoded Enemy

    This additional condition has to be met by non phalanx troops.
    In phalanx it works normaly. So for example Triari can have both Hasta and Gladius (both weapons use thrust).
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    Default Re: The Old Hardcoded Enemy

    Yeah, no I remember about the "must be same skeleton" rule. I was hoping the EB was able to get beyond that.

    But then again... all the spearmen that are well enough equiped to have a secondary sword are Graeco-Roman ones who would be using a thrusting gladius or kopis anyway. The Eastern spearmen were never so well endowed as to have swords long enough for slashing, neither were the Gallic and Germanic spearmen.
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    Default Re: The Old Hardcoded Enemy

    Ah, but you forget the Eastern spearmen who have bows and spears.

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    Default Re: The Old Hardcoded Enemy

    ..they might be able to stab people with their bow
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    Default Re: The Old Hardcoded Enemy

    I dont understand this, the phalanxes have secondary swords for me 0_o
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    Default Re: The Old Hardcoded Enemy

    Quote Originally Posted by RandyKapp
    I dont understand this, the phalanxes have secondary swords for me 0_o
    What is the problem is: without phalanx mode, if a unit has sword+spear it CTDs.
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    Default Re: The Old Hardcoded Enemy

    Quote Originally Posted by Aymar de Bois Mauri
    What is the problem is: without phalanx mode, if a unit has sword+spear it CTDs.
    is it just spear & sword? i mean, what about spear & bow, for example?
    now i'm here, and history is vindicated.
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    Default Re: The Old Hardcoded Enemy

    i would like to see an eastern spearman use his spear with an animation for firing a bow... now that would be kool.
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    Default Re: The Old Hardcoded Enemy

    sarmatian foot nobles in RTR6 have spear and bow. I hate fighting those guys!
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    Default Re: The Old Hardcoded Enemy

    Quote Originally Posted by Aymar de Bois Mauri
    What is the problem is: without phalanx mode, if a unit has sword+spear it CTDs.
    Ah right, you mean if you remove phalanx ability from the unit totaly it crashs. I undertstand now.
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    Randy Kapp, how the heck do you have like 20 different siggys everytime I see you post?

    Do you just make up a new one every time you post, or what?
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    it's just some kind of dynamic link. he has a web directory with all his sig pics, and the link in his sig probably just picks one at random when he posts.
    now i'm here, and history is vindicated.
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    Whenever you view the page, actually.
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    Huh. Thats pretty cool. Thanks for the answer. And I thought he just created a new one every day..
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    Default Re: The Old Hardcoded Enemy

    Quote Originally Posted by Big_John
    is it just spear & sword? i mean, what about spear & bow, for example?
    Spear and bow would work, of course, just like the omnipresent sword/dagger and bow/sling/javelin of vanilla, provided the bow is the primary weapon.
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