The Confederate flag

[Strike For The South]

Do you guys think people should be allowed to show it on there cars/ homes etc I do but apparently some don't

[Aenlic]

When it's used as a symbol by racists, then it's wrong. When it's used a symbol of southern pride, then it's OK. Since there wasn't a third option of sometimes good and sometimes bad; I had to choose between the two and my disgust with racists is the stronger.

[Aenlic]

I agree; but, as I said, with no third option which at least spke to the issue of the very real and modern racist use of that flag, I couldn't in god conscience just vote the other way. Consider my vote a protest vote. It's not even a dig against SftS. It's just me being rebellious. Oh, the irony! I think I pulled an irony muscle! Heh. sorry, I couldn't resist.

Vanna! I want to buy an "O". Stupid keyboard.

[Samurai Waki]

I have no problem with the confederate flag. Actually I saw a guy with a 68' Camaro SS with a Confederate Flag painted on the hood of his car, I asked him why he painted on the front of his car and he said that he was donating it for relief effort in Biloxi.

[Xiahou]

I just think it's really stupid when I see people who have lived their entire lives in the Northeast put the Confederate flag on their cars for some reason.

[PanzerJaeger]

Theres nothing wrong with it at all.

The southerners who carried and fought under that flag were not concerned with slavery or states rights or anything but the protection of their families, land, and way of life. There's something of worth in that sentiment, and the flag represents it. I believe its known as Southern Pride.

[ShadesWolf]

I dont think theres is anything wrong with it at all.

[mercian billman]

I could care less but people who display it shouldn't be surprised when people pass judgement on it. I have no real opinion on it myself, but like Xiahou, I think it's real stupid when people who've spent their entire lives in Wisconsin use it and claim southern pride

[Strike For The South]

Anyone can be a southener you just have to pass the test

[bmolsson]

It's just a flag....

[The_Doctor]

A few days ago I saw a car with two of them on the back. Also there was always one of those big family vehicles with some on the back outside my old school.

Note my location.

Liverpool did build the CSS Alabama, but still it seems odd.

[King Ragnar]

Nothing wrong with it at all, heres an article i read a while ago related to the flag.Link

[Duke of Gloucester]

The way in which the South fought, with great skill, valour and courage, together with outstanding leadership shown by the likes of Stonewall Jackson and R E Lee are things that those who identify with the South can be justly proud of. Unfortunately the cause for which they fought was reprehensible. The southerners who fought under the flag probably were not concerned for state's rights. After all, the fugative slave act was a serious infringement of this, but part of the way of life which they sought to defend was the right of one human being to own another.

This means there is a problem with the flag. I might fly it to celabrate bravery, brilliance and greatness. Others may fly it because they are racists. By joining with them, I am supporting their views even if I don't mean to.

[bmolsson]

The way in which the South fought, with great skill, valour and courage, together with outstanding leadership shown by the likes of Stonewall Jackson and R E Lee are things that those who identify with the South can be justly proud of. Unfortunately the cause for which they fought was reprehensible. The southerners who fought under the flag probably were not concerned for state's rights. After all, the fugative slave act was a serious infringement of this, but part of the way of life which they sought to defend was the right of one human being to own another.

This means there is a problem with the flag. I might fly it to celabrate bravery, brilliance and greatness. Others may fly it because they are racists. By joining with them, I am supporting their views even if I don't mean to.

Actually, this made me change my mind. It's not only a flag and it should be used with care. Good post.....

[JAG]

There is something inherently wrong in all flags.

[Louis VI the Fat]

For me, the right to wave or burn any flag of your choice are inherently linked and should be protected. Freedom of expression and all that...

[Red Harvest]

We had this same topic a few months back.

[The_Doctor]

We had this same topic a few months back.

You could say that about everything in the backroom.

[Kaiser of Arabia]

There is something inherently wrong in all flags.

There's somthing inherently wrong with people who don't like flags. At least the Stars and Bars look better than the Stars and Stripes, and represent freedom while the Stars and Stripes have come to partially represent tyranny at times. I love my flag, but I love the Stars and Bars more, because it not only represents my nation, it represents what I beleive in.

[lancelot]

Im pro-south, so I have no problem with it.

The only bad thing is when idiots abuse any flag. It is quite similar with the English St Gerorge Cross. A normal flag just like the scottish St andrews that somehow got the label as a pro-nazi flag (to our nation's eternal shame) thanks to football thugs and such like.

Its only very recently that flying the George Cross has regained some of it's true heritage and meaning.

[ichi]

OK, you asked, so I'll be honest.

The Confederate Battle Flag has been co-opted by racists, so that it now has racist connotations. The Confederacy supported slavery, which is immoral and unjust, and the flag represents that. The Confederacy lost the war and failed in its attempt to leave the US. The flag is a symbol of sedition and revolution. Had the South successfully seceded the US would not be the dominant world power we are today.

Plus its an ugly, gawdy flag.

Do you guys think people should be allowed to show it on there cars/ homes etc I do but apparently some don't

The great thing about the US is that people can fly whatever flag they want.

ichi

[AntiochusIII]

It's just a flag. Burn it. Throw it in your garbage bin. Fly it above your house. Kiss it. Worship it. Go ahead.

In the end, it's just another flag. With some negative/positive connotations, perhaps, but what's the point?

[Red Harvest]

The way in which the South fought, with great skill, valour and courage, together with outstanding leadership shown by the likes of Stonewall Jackson and R E Lee are things that those who identify with the South can be justly proud of. Unfortunately the cause for which they fought was reprehensible. The southerners who fought under the flag probably were not concerned for state's rights. After all, the fugative slave act was a serious infringement of this, but part of the way of life which they sought to defend was the right of one human being to own another.

This means there is a problem with the flag. I might fly it to celabrate bravery, brilliance and greatness. Others may fly it because they are racists. By joining with them, I am supporting their views even if I don't mean to.

The Duke is pretty well on the mark here. Where I differ is that if I choose to fly it it doesn't mean I've joined with the racists. Unfortunately, it might appear that way to some and I have to keep that perception in mind. Afterall there are many racists who will hide behind the excuse of "Southern heritage" because they really want to use it as a racist symbol.

If is fine to have pride in Southern heritage or celebrate a bit of a rebellious/independent streak. However, it is equally important to accept that in this case it carries along some negative connotations, even if that is not the part one embraces. I'm not in favor of censorship, but I do accept some *reasonable* limitations of symbols that are used for insult and hate.

[Crazed Rabbit]

There is something inherently wrong in all flags.

Huh? Do they cause infective deseases or something?

Crazed Rabbit

[Zharakov]

My younger Sister lives in Verginia... She has one of those battle flags...

So I geuss its ok...

[AntiochusIII]

My younger Sister... He

!!!

[Zharakov]

I hate English...

[The_Doctor]

I would post a picture of a united earth flag, but it does not exist, yet.

[scooter_the_shooter]

And it better never exist. No offense to you non yanks but I dont want you as part of my country Americans want different things than most euros. like guns and tougher punishment on criminals.


If there is a world government me and some like minded people are going to take some land make and our own country, in the middle of no where!


Who wants to help me take over one states if need be

[The_Doctor]

No offense to you non yanks but I dont want you as part of my country

Your country would not exist, either would Europe.

FOR TERRA!!!