Countdown to Open Beta - SENATVS POPVLVSQVE ROMANVS

[metatron]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civic_Crown

If I were on the team, I would make all the crown winners ancillaries, and those that could be won by generals as traits also.

[monkian]

Hi there, congrats on amazing progress !


Im just wondering, maybe after one of the Roman's reforms if their stamina could improve.

I belive the Roman cohorts used to cycle the ranks of its troops to keep the front line fresh, improving their stamnina could reflect this in-game maybe.

Cheers

[Simetrical]

We're very limited in our ability to adjust stamina, unfortunately.

[jerby]

yeah, you got: regular stamina, good stamina, excellent stamina. for all i know.
regular men get normal, and some got a 'good stamina'. excellent is mostly for horses. but that's all vanilla...

[Copperhaired Berserker!]

Wow WOw WOW WOWOWOWOWOWOWOW!!!!!11 I'm drooling, Amazing perview!

[Ypoknons]

Forgive my ignorance, but does the word Hastati have anything to do with the word Hasta? This isn't a dig at your historical accuracy of course, but I was just wondeirng why Hastati have has gladii.

[khelvan]

According to some scholars, the word hastati was originally derived from the hasta, yes, but within the timeframe of our mod the hastati are not armed with spears.

[Malrubius]

In a similar fashion, modern armor units are referred to as cavalry, even though they've traded their horses for tanks. American Marines do a lot more than guard boats, etc. The name survives long after the reason for the name.

[Byzantine Mercenary]

wow! i thought rome would be a boring faction, infantry all looking the same, not much variety, not much cav but it looks great, with the size of map and the number of reforms EB's campaign will be epic

[jerby]

wow! i thought rome would be a boring faction, infantry all looking the same, not much variety, not much cav but it looks great, with the size of map and the number of reforms EB's campaign will be epic

yeah.. i didn't know what to expect...
after vanilla accounts of peopel saying 'their roman heavy cav is destroying the barbarians' i tought that EB would seriously hamper Rome and make it an almost complete inf-faction, wich it was...and that's a pitty..i love cav..and i still like rome, if only for teh reforms..i like reforms..

[edyzmedieval]

Wow. Really impressing.

When can you put info about Carthage?!

[Ludens]

Wow. Really impressing.

When can you put info about Carthage?!

See this thread: Countdown to Open Beat - Tsorim. Do keep in mind that this is a rather old thread and by now the Tsorim faction has been renamed Karthadastim.

[infierno]

this is realism thumbs up, or OLE as we say in spain ;)


so, this roman legionary should take place in the time period of BI right??

[QwertyMIDX]

He should be common place around the time of the Dacian Wars, between the end of RTW and the beginning of BI.

[infierno]

lol! and, if you work in BI time period, in which would you include it guys??

think about it, if you include it in BI, at start of the game we will have the strongest unit!!

but, would be cool to make like a "marian reform" but just the opposite, the end of good legionaries and start with the bad guys

[Ludens]

so, this roman legionary should take place in the time period of BI right??

I think you misunderstood QwertyMIDX's answer: the legionary you show, with the square shield and the banded armour, is of the time period between R:TW and BI: the height of the Roman empire. By BI's time, the power of the legions had severly dimished, as had the quality of their equipment. The "Roman" legionaries of the BI period were clad in chainmail and trousers, carried oval shields and longer swords (but not the deadly gladius and pilum combination) and were quite often Germans.

CA representation of them (the comitatenes) is actually quite good.

[infierno]

yeah all clear

but now i wonder in what game you would include it:

this legionary is not in rtw EB

and in rtw BI EB you it wont be...

he is in the limbo

[QwertyMIDX]

That legionnaire isn't, but the roman legionaire with segmata armor really wasn't the most important (for lack of a better word, prevalent mabye), the one clad in chain (who is in EB, both the Marian and Early Imperial) is what people should think of when they think of the Roman Military. I guess segmata is just more unique and makes more of an impression...

[jerby]

That legionnaire isn't, but the roman legionaire with segmata armor really wasn't the most important (for lack of a better word, prevalent mabye), the one clad in chain (who is in EB, both the Marian and Early Imperial) is what people should think of when they think of the Roman Military. I guess segmata is just more unique and makes more of an impression...

mainly because of some little bloke with a winged helm, and a very big dude with a blue-striped pants and a huge belly...tough there also was a little puppy..what were their names again?

so why did these units drop the chainmail?

[infierno]

well, but instead being recluted normally, they could be a gift i.e. when the city reachs xxx.000 population, the city could get 1 unit or, i dont know... but could be a great eye candy to see him

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

so why did these units drop the chainmail?

Due to the fact that segmentata was cheaper and faster to produce than hamata (mail) or squamata (scale).

[Sarcasm]

Was it?

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Was it?

Yes. It was also easier to fix after a battle.

[QwertyMIDX]

Think about how many rings go in a chainmail shirt, now count the pieces in segmata armor...Yup, it was far faster to produce as well as easier to repair, and the protection it offered wasn't much worse (it was better against somethings in fact). Still, despite what TV tells us the hamata clad legionaire was the more common one, was used for a longer period of time, and was the one who fought in most of Rome's conquests (after the reforms of Marius).

[GeWee]

I marvelled for a while over the nice units and then came to think of something..

Three reforms? Does that mean the Romans will have to scrap three generations of probably elite units or have you resolved the issue of not being able to retrain pre-reform units?
Maybe by somehow transforming your gold chevron Early Hastati into gold chevron Late Hastati and the like? I'd rather have instant transformation of entire armies instead of having to replace my elites for rookies three times over during a game...

[Ludens]

well, but instead being recluted normally, they could be a gift i.e. when the city reachs xxx.000 population, the city could get 1 unit or, i dont know... but could be a great eye candy to see him

I am afraid they won't be included. EB is all about historical accuracy, and adding an unhistorical unit rather defeats this point. Also, since there is a limit on the number of unit models avaible, adding an Imperial Legionary means dropping another unit. I doubt they would do that for a "gimmick unit" even if it was historically accuracte.

(I realize that Lorica Segmentata was already known in Augustus' time, so it isn't that inaccurate, but from what I have heard it was not in common use.)

That legionnaire isn't, but the roman legionaire with segmata armor really wasn't the most important (for lack of a better word, prevalent mabye), the one clad in chain (who is in EB, both the Marian and Early Imperial) is what people should think of when they think of the Roman Military. I guess segmata is just more unique and makes more of an impression...

I know. I merely meant that it was the legionary used by the Roman Empire at the height of its power. Whether they were truly as effective as the troops Ceasar and Pompey commanded is questionable.

I marvelled for a while over the nice units and then came to think of something..

Three reforms? Does that mean the Romans will have to scrap three generations of probably elite units or have you resolved the issue of not being able to retrain pre-reform units?
Maybe by somehow transforming your gold chevron Early Hastati into gold chevron Late Hastati and the like? I'd rather have instant transformation of entire armies instead of having to replace my elites for rookies three times over during a game...

I never thought of that, but it is an interesting question. What is the chance we will still have Camillian units when we reach the Marian reforms? And are these units still useful or do we have to disband them after some time?

[jerby]

well. the AI isn't such a walkover i guess, woith a morale boost you will definatly loose troops. and wiht teh upped maintaining costs you'll be disbanding units regularly..
but there is a chance..

[Moros]

yes, you'll be disbanding units if you don't really need them automatically.

[jerby]

yes, you'll be disbanding units if you don't really need them automatically.

so camillian units will be extinct after the reforms, at least faster than in Vanilla...

[Moros]

so camillian units will be extinct after the reforms, at least faster than in Vanilla...

Well mostly I think. Never got that far with the romans. Everytime your playing a fun campaign, kapoof! a new version of the game.:|