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[khelvan]

1: what's with teh shield?
2: what that golden blob next to the horse's head
3: will you be redoing generals as well??

1) As I said, clipping is an unfortunate sacrifice we make to create our two-handed animations.

2) It is a gold plate on the horse's forehead.

3) Yes, generals are the lowest priority of all units.

[jerby]

sorry for double posting 1 Q.
why can't you chnage the holding position of teh shield? right now it's "strapped" around the wrist. why not strap it above the elbow?
mayube historical accuracy will be "less" but at least it wont clip.

[vizigothe]

i have been waiting for this!
3 reforms! simply awesome

[DemonArchangel]

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[RandyKapp]

Sweet

Also notice how one of the occultus sigs has turned into a roman sig.

[Chester]

Fucking Brilliant. I tip my hat to EB.

[infierno]

this is realism thumbs up, or OLE as we say in spain ;)


so, this roman legionary should take place in the time period of BI right??

[QwertyMIDX]

He should be common place around the time of the Dacian Wars, between the end of RTW and the beginning of BI.

[infierno]

lol! and, if you work in BI time period, in which would you include it guys??

think about it, if you include it in BI, at start of the game we will have the strongest unit!!

but, would be cool to make like a "marian reform" but just the opposite, the end of good legionaries and start with the bad guys

[Ludens]

so, this roman legionary should take place in the time period of BI right??

I think you misunderstood QwertyMIDX's answer: the legionary you show, with the square shield and the banded armour, is of the time period between R:TW and BI: the height of the Roman empire. By BI's time, the power of the legions had severly dimished, as had the quality of their equipment. The "Roman" legionaries of the BI period were clad in chainmail and trousers, carried oval shields and longer swords (but not the deadly gladius and pilum combination) and were quite often Germans.

CA representation of them (the comitatenes) is actually quite good.

[infierno]

yeah all clear

but now i wonder in what game you would include it:

this legionary is not in rtw EB

and in rtw BI EB you it wont be...

he is in the limbo

[AggonyDuck]

Those Cohors Evocata look so wonderful. I've found myself a new fav unit. Will be fun to use them in campaign too.

[Han]

ya I gotta admit they are all missing the redness I usually see in Roman armies looks mad white lol but the Cohorts looks hot man...

[Marinakis]

Is it just me or the Itallians and Greeks a little to white, they look almost nortic.

Shouldnt they be a mix beween how they are now and the libyan-phoenicians


P.S. 10/10 on the romans, 20/10 on EB as a whole so far

[the_handsome_viking]

Is it just me or the Itallians and Greeks a little to white, they look almost nortic.

Shouldnt they be a mix beween how they are now and the libyan-phoenicians


P.S. 10/10 on the romans, 20/10 on EB as a whole so far

ive got a friend whos mother is lebanese(phoenician) and she has light skin, green eyes and brown hair.
and apparently its quite common in lebanon.http://www.stylemodeling.com/index1.htm

which makes me wonder if its accurate to depict the carthaginians as dark as they are in those pictures above.

either way it doesnt really matter, i could always just justify the darkness as "they got a suntan from drilling all day in the sun"

im british and im pretty sure that if i was hanging around doing military drills in tunisia to this day, id get a tan too.

also i've also met loads and loads of light skinned greeks and southern italians.
(I say southern italians because northern italians tend to come from the lombards)

[Marinakis]

ive got a friend whos mother is lebanese(phoenician) and she has light skin, green eyes and brown hair.
and apparently its quite common in lebanon.http://www.stylemodeling.com/index1.htm

which makes me wonder if its accurate to depict the carthaginians as dark as they are in those pictures above.

either way it doesnt really matter, i could always just justify the darkness as "they got a suntan from drilling all day in the sun"

im british and im pretty sure that if i was hanging around doing military drills in tunisia to this day, id get a tan too.

also i've also met loads and loads of light skinned greeks and southern italians.
(I say southern italians because northern italians tend to come from the lombards)

Well Northern greeks tend to be more white, and southern italy is heavily greek (aka Epirus, northern greece)

About the Phoenicians in the game being to dark you have to remember they are mixed with Libyan, numbians, and other africans in carthage.

Seeing how the greek world was dominated by Northern greek peoples at this time i guess its the beter compromise to pick the more Nortic look.

However, Italians, true italians (cantral italy) are quite Darkly tanned peoples.




P.S. Lebenon is not Phoenician. Acording to their own nations stats they are

- Arab 95%, Armenian 4%, other 1%

The "white" look is most likely their armenian side, half my family is Armenian and they look european.

[SwordsMaster]

Thanks, EB for complying with my request. Only one thing to say: cool

[Steppe Merc]

A general comment on skin coloring: it is difficult to know the exact coloring of all the people in any place. It is even more difficult to show when the peoples were quite varied, like the Parthians, who varied from the dark to quite fair.
So we try and go for a compromise. But I don't know much about the Romans in particular.

[khelvan]

He was talking about the skin color of some Carthaginians. Remember that our Carthage has Phoenician people, Libyans, Ethiopians, and others, so some units will be darker than others. In addition, some Carthaginians were created darker than they should have been, and will be fixed. However, we would need to know which unit you are talking about, in particular, to discuss the reasons for choice of skin color.

[the_handsome_viking]

Well Northern greeks tend to be more white, and southern italy is heavily greek (aka Epirus, northern greece)

About the Phoenicians in the game being to dark you have to remember they are mixed with Libyan, numbians, and other africans in carthage.

Seeing how the greek world was dominated by Northern greek peoples at this time i guess its the beter compromise to pick the more Nortic look.

However, Italians, true italians (cantral italy) are quite Darkly tanned peoples.




P.S. Lebenon is not Phoenician. Acording to their own nations stats they are

- Arab 95%, Armenian 4%, other 1%

The "white" look is most likely their armenian side, half my family is Armenian and they look european.

However, Italians, true italians (cantral italy) are quite Darkly tanned peoples.

what do you mean by true italians? Etruscans? latins?

About the Phoenicians in the game being to dark you have to remember they are mixed with Libyan, numbians, and other africans in carthage.

though I have no doubt in my mind that the mixed apperence of modern day tunisians as well as other north africans has come from racial mixing, I do think that historically they may not have been so dark.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ent_lybian.jpg
thats a lybian from the book of gates, not very dark looking. you can compare to the other peoples here .
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...f_Ramesses.jpg

I see no real reason to think that other berber groups(numidians for example) would look any different unless they had and influx of sub saharan dna.

P.S. Lebenon is not Phoenician. Acording to their own nations stats they are

- Arab 95%, Armenian 4%, other 1%

The "white" look is most likely their armenian side, half my family is Armenian and they look european.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Lebanon

"The Lebanese Maronite Christians are descendants of the Phoenicians/Canaanis (30%)."

my friends mother is maronite.

There was also a program on tv, I think the discovery channel that ended with genetic test results proving thatthe lebanese were the descendents of the Phoenicians also, which I think explains the lighter appearance of the christian maronites in lebanon.
that said, im sure the armenian blood will also be part of the reason why you have white people in lebanon also.
I've seen a lot of white armenians too.

either way , weither they had dark skin or not, it doesnt matter, when i play this mod ill just say "they got a sun tan"

I'll be happy either way, unless of course they make the generals look like denzel washington... that would make me cry.

[GoreBag]

Yeah, Denzel Washington would be silly. Samuel L. Jackson would be okay, though... he can do anything.

[Marinakis]

yeah i agree with most everything u said Handsome Viking

just to clerify when i say True Italians i mean the non greeks of the south, and the non guals from the north. So Umbra, Compania, Latium, Etruria, etc


And about Lebenon, I have never been there, and im sure there is some minority of people connected to the Phoenicians but they are not the majority, there are armenians there as well so does that make it an Armenian nation? Same thing applys with Kurds in Turkey, i can assure you Turkey is not a Kurdish nation. Lebenon is Arab. Dont get me wrong i think the Phoenicians were in the upper echelon of great peoples, along with Babylon, Egypt, Assyria and Greece

I dont know where Wikipeda got those numbers, but here are some numbers from the United States C.I.A.


http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/...k/geos/le.html

They have the same numbers i said before, Arab 95%, Armenian 4%, other 1%

[Urnamma]

yeah i agree with most everything u said Handsome Viking

just to clerify when i say True Italians i mean the non greeks of the south, and the non guals from the north. So Umbra, Compania, Latium, Etruria, etc


And about Lebenon, I have never been there, and im sure there is some minority of people connected to the Phoenicians but they are not the majority, there are armenians there as well so does that make it an Armenian nation? Same thing applys with Kurds in Turkey, i can assure you Turkey is not a Kurdish nation. Lebenon is Arab. Dont get me wrong i think the Phoenicians were in the upper echelon of great peoples, along with Babylon, Egypt, Assyria and Greece

I dont know where Wikipeda got those numbers, but here are some numbers from the United States C.I.A.


http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/...k/geos/le.html

They have the same numbers i said before, Arab 95%, Armenian 4%, other 1%

This is an asinine discussion. But remember who controls the country, and you'll see why they list it as Arab. It is worthy to note that syrians also have light skin tones, but what the hell does it matter? Some of it is Greek, Assyrian, Syrian, Phoenician etc influences, but you're stereotyping all arabs as darkish people, which they aren't.

[the_handsome_viking]

yeah i agree with most everything u said Handsome Viking

just to clerify when i say True Italians i mean the non greeks of the south, and the non guals from the north. So Umbra, Compania, Latium, Etruria, etc


And about Lebenon, I have never been there, and im sure there is some minority of people connected to the Phoenicians but they are not the majority, there are armenians there as well so does that make it an Armenian nation? Same thing applys with Kurds in Turkey, i can assure you Turkey is not a Kurdish nation. Lebenon is Arab. Dont get me wrong i think the Phoenicians were in the upper echelon of great peoples, along with Babylon, Egypt, Assyria and Greece

I dont know where Wikipeda got those numbers, but here are some numbers from the United States C.I.A.


http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/...k/geos/le.html

They have the same numbers i said before, Arab 95%, Armenian 4%, other 1%

I was more basing my comment on things my friend had told me, in his words, you can walk down the street of a maronite neighbourhood and be surrounded by light skinned people with hair that ranges from blonde to brown and eyes that range from light brown to blue to green etc and then when you leave you will be surrounded by dark haired people with black eyes and black hair oh a more mixed complexion.

though I will point out that arabic is a fairly ill defined group and is based on a language and a culture rather than a race of people, you can have arabs of all races.

http://games.rengeekcentral.com/prblms/F36V.html
http://games.rengeekcentral.com/prblms/F38R.html
http://games.rengeekcentral.com/prblms/F22R.html
personally I think this is a great picture for looking at the racial differences of the arabs.http://history.missouristate.edu/jch.../Crusades6.jpg

so in short arab could be anything.

but yeah, as I said in my previous post, its the christian maronites that are the ones that are supposed to be the decendants of the phoenicians and tend to be the lighter people in general.

[Steppe Merc]

I've seen a lot of white armenians too..

Because Armenians are white, or at least were. Armenians were Iranians, like the Scythians, Persians, Parthians and Sarmatians.

[Marinakis]

Because Armenians are white, or at least were. Armenians were Iranians, like the Scythians, Persians, Parthians and Sarmatians.

Can u prove that with facts? Im not saying it isnt true.I just never realised my ancestry can be traced back to Iran

I thought Armenians were from the Hittites

[the_handsome_viking]

Because Armenians are white, or at least were. Armenians were Iranians, like the Scythians, Persians, Parthians and Sarmatians.

i know.