American Revolution, any way to stop it?

**Gawain of Orkeny** · 09-11-2005, 18:41

Would there have been any way to stop the American Revolution before it started?

You mean the War of Independance dont you?

**Marshal Murat** · 09-11-2005, 18:47

Of course, War of Independence.

**ShadesWolf** · 09-11-2005, 21:21

'no taxation without representation'

Totally agree, these people were British subjects. It was not a place we had conquered. But should have been classed as part of Britain as Scotland and Wales was.

**Strike For The South** · 09-11-2005, 21:35

America forever GOD SAVE THE REPUBLIC

no way you puny British couldve stopped us no taxation without reresentation charge charge I say

**Kraxis** · 09-11-2005, 22:02

Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny

You mean the War of Independance dont you?

Depends on your location really... War of Independence means something entirely different to a Greek or Dutch for instance. Or any other of hundreds of people.

So American Revolution is a way better label.

**Kaiser of Arabia** · 09-11-2005, 22:31

Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube

To be quite honest, if General Howe had not been so hesitent to attack the Americans after the Battle of Bunker Hill, he could have ended it right quick.

Well, realize, he was British. Brits don't like attacking, as history shows. Took an Irishman to beat napoleon, at least.

**Duke Malcolm** · 09-11-2005, 23:07

He wasn't an Irishman. He was born of Britons, and brought up with the British.

**GoreBag** · 09-11-2005, 23:14

Originally Posted by King Malcolm

He was born of Britons,

Sure wasn't - the only Britons left at that point were the Welsh.

**Gawain of Orkeny** · 09-11-2005, 23:50

Well, realize, he was British. Brits don't like attacking, as history shows. Took an Irishman to beat napoleon, at least.

Werent the British the ones who usually attacked in this war. In the War of 1812 wasnt it also them who did most of the attacking? Did they become the most powerful nation in world by defending? Only we can claim that

**Kraxis** · 09-12-2005, 00:57

Yeah the Brits defended themselves to an Empire just like the Romans... Damn they must have been scared people.

**GoreBag** · 09-12-2005, 01:25

It was always said that it was American opinion that conquering North America was 'manifest destiny'.

**Marshal Murat** · 09-12-2005, 02:43

Well, there was Manifest Destiny before there was any known gold in California.

**GoreBag** · 09-12-2005, 02:43

Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube

I've always seen that Manifest Destiny thing as BS. The truth is, people settled the west because they thought they'd have a better life out there. They went to california because of the gold. They went west for the furs. They went west for alot of reasons, but I don't think "Manifest Destiny" was one of them.

What about going north?

**mercian billman** · 09-12-2005, 04:38

Originally Posted by NeonGod

It was always said that it was American opinion that conquering North America was 'manifest destiny'.

The concept of manifest destiny did not come about until well after the American Revolution. That being said I do believe that Americans have always sought to expand and explore new frontiers. Even before the Revolution, colonists were expanding westward into the Ohio River Valley. Which the British were trying to prevent to ensure the loyalty of Native tribes in the area, which was another point of contention between the colonists and the crown.

**Red Harvest** · 09-13-2005, 02:09

Originally Posted by Kaiser of Arabia

Well, realize, he was British. Brits don't like attacking, as history shows. Took an Irishman to beat napoleon, at least.

On the contrary, the British regulars were very disciplined in attacking. Howe realized he couldn't afford another "victory" like Bunker Hill. It was truly Pyrrhic. This made him unnecessarily cautious later.

**Brenus** · 09-15-2005, 18:23

Well, the American War could have been lost by the insurgents… For what I know, it was also a huge number of loyalists and without a good politic from Benjamin Franklin and the alliance with France (providing troops –8 800 of the 18 000 men of the troops in Yorktown were French- and more important, fleet), I doubt of the American (in modern meaning) victory. Now, an US defeat would have probably just postponed the Independence. But it is difficult to judge of the result of such problem: Texas/California/Mexico, Louisiana, Alaska etc…