Religious hypocrisy

[English assassin]

as already pointed out by Pape, that sentence was most definitely a slur to all of Christianity and therefore worthy of any "just desserts" that come it's way in response

Hmm, SOMEWHERE I'm sure I read something about judge not lest ye be judged, where can it have been? Turn the other cheek seems familiar and also someone on this board has been known to make posts quoting Jesus as saying ye shall be hated for my sake, or some such.

Besides if we are allowed to quote the bible it seems only fair to be allowed to quote Nietzsche.

[Devastatin Dave]

But Christianity does not despise the body, which is the arguement. "Treat your body as a living sacifice to the Lord", meaning to respect your body, it is in God's likeness. The post by BP was meant to piss off Christians on this board much like this thread. So have fun, say what you want and justify your bigotry. Its nothing more than a Klansman making his arguement to why he hates blacks, why a Black Panther hates whites, or a Muslim blaming all his sufferings because of Jews. Enjoy your hate I guess...

[Tribesman]

Its nothing more than a Klansman making his arguement to why he hates blacks,
But Dave , the Klan claim to be a Christian organisation

[Devastatin Dave]

Its nothing more than a Klansman making his arguement to why he hates blacks,
But Dave , the Klan claim to be a Christian organisation

Hello, where's the mods?

[Adrian II]

Besides if we are allowed to quote the bible it seems only fair to be allowed to quote Nietzsche.

Right. And may I add that all I have seen from Christians in this thread merely confirms the original poster's remarks.

As to your point, let me repeat what I posted in the other thread, which is that good ole Friedrich Nietzsche had to deal with a different kind of Christianity than we are dealing with today. It was practically all-pervasive in ruling circles, academia and public life. Christian notions underpinned just about any debate, even in philosophy.

For someone to go and sweat Christianity out of his system, to rid his mind of all those deeply-ingrained religious notions on which children in his day and age were raised from day one, was a heroic effort. I have do doubt that it contributed to his eventual descent into psychosis. He was a true hero -- which should not deter us from criticising Nietzsche in turn, of course.

More than any other nineteenth century philosopher Nietzsche paved the way both for a comprehensive criticism of Christianity and for a modern philosophy that acknowledges God's death or absence and tries to absorb the consequences for ontology, ethics, and society at large. We are still struggling with this, witness the many discussions of ethical issues and their religious connotations in this forum alone. So let us take our hats off for this great thinker and poet, then rip him to pieces if need be; Nietzsche himself would not expect to be spared.

[Ser Clegane]

What am I supposed to make of this thread?

Is it at all possible to have discussion that involves Christianity (or any other religions) without forming tow camps that call each other "intolerant, ignorant bigots"?

This thread is based on Nietsches statement that
"Christianity [...] has been the greatest misfortune of humanity so far."

This certainly goes beyond stating that he does not believe in God/a god - it rather is a direct accusation brought forward against Christianity and is as such of course rather likely to get a reaction.

Do I think it should not be allowed to quote such statements on this board?

I do not - as banning this kind of statement would be equivalent to suffocating half of the discussions on this board.
I think we had countless threads that had articles, commentaries etc. that made these kind of generalized statement - that a certain idea, be it Islam/Christianity/Socialism/Capitalism is bad for humanity.

Attacking (meaning "attacking in a civilized way") an idea is often the subject of discussions here - things get problematic when criticizing an idea turns into personally attacking or slandering the people who follow that idea (I am aware that the line is fine here).

However, if you post such general (and in the Nietzsche case not backed up) attacks on an idea, you should be prepared for others to in turn attack the statements you posted.

Short version: I expect any participants in this thread and others to refrain from personal attacks and discuss the issues

[Ser Clegane]

Its nothing more than a Klansman making his arguement to why he hates blacks,
But Dave , the Klan claim to be a Christian organisation

What the Klan claims to be is hardly relevant (actually I am not even sure if they actively label themselves Christian organization).

I can run around with a big hat that has "Capitalist" written on it - doesn't really make me one when I actually teach Communist ideas.

Obviously the discussion in this thread won't go anywhere beyond baiting.

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