Suspend the Loyalists

**Adrian II** · 09-12-2005, 10:25

Originally Posted by English assassin

Yes. (Assuming the politicians can be linked to the terrorism. After all we never excluded the SDLP)

I heard that one of the major reasons for this weekend's screw-up is the lack of leadership in Loyalist circles. It seems the UVF and the Orange (Dis)Orders expected a police crack-down any moment and this is what touched off the violent behaviour of many chapters and individuals. All in all, last weekend must havebeen about the worst pr job imaginable for the Loyalists.

**Tribesman** · 09-12-2005, 11:04

Yes. (Assuming the politicians can be linked to the terrorism. After all we never excluded the SDLP)
Since the head of the executive is a member of the order and members of the order were attacking the security forces while still wearing their Orange regalia then yes they can be linked , add that the same happened last week with the Black order in Tyrone , plus the head of the executive initially refused to condemn the usual spate of bomb attacks on schools that mark the start of the new academic year .
Then yes the political leaders can be linked to it .

**Templar Knight** · 09-12-2005, 12:36

Bomb attacks on schools? Man what a bunch of knobs.

**Tribesman** · 09-12-2005, 12:43

My mistake , while the head of the executive marches with the Orange order , makes an annual address to the order , supports the order , he is not actually a member of it , only of the Apprentices .

Bomb attacks on schools? Man what a bunch of knobs.
Hey it makes a nice change from attacking churches and homes

**English assassin** · 09-12-2005, 12:45

members of the order were attacking the security forces while still wearing their Orange regalia

[Paisley on] Probably Fenian infitrators [Paisley off]

There you have NI in a nutshell.

It doesn't quite link the order as an organisation, but on the basis that they created the conditions for the trouble, and that the loyalists are really pushing their luck, fair enough.

All in all, last weekend must have been about the worst pr job imaginable for the Loyalists.

Other than every time Paisley opens his mouth that is (father or son, they are both as bad)

**BDC** · 09-12-2005, 15:52

Hit them all with sticks. Deserve nothing less. Possibly deport them to Syria or something as you would do with every other terrorist.

**Don Corleone** · 09-12-2005, 15:59

Well, since ShadesPanther appears to be absent from this discussion, let me take the role of defending the Unionists. Don't they have a right to free assembly? Why should certain areas of Belfast be declared 'anti-free speech' zone? I find the marchers to be in poor taste, but so long as they remain peaceful, they have every right to do it. They only became violent when their right to free assembly was revoked.

**Duke Malcolm** · 09-12-2005, 16:07

The loyalists attacked the police because they feel that they have been betrayed by their government, who is working closely with the republicans. The Republicans haven't been suspended I think, they just refuse to take the Oath of Allegiance in Westminster to take their seats (while still getting the perks and allowances and offices of MPs). The reason the Stormont Assembly isn't sitting is because the DUP doesn't want to share power with Sinn Fein

**English assassin** · 09-12-2005, 16:48

Originally Posted by Don Corleone

Well, since ShadesPanther appears to be absent from this discussion, let me take the role of defending the Unionists. Don't they have a right to free assembly? Why should certain areas of Belfast be declared 'anti-free speech' zone? I find the marchers to be in poor taste, but so long as they remain peaceful, they have every right to do it. They only became violent when their right to free assembly was revoked.

No, they don't, in fact. There is a legally constituted commission that rules on where marches can go and it ruled against them here. They were perfectly entitled to have a march, just not where they wanted. If they don't want to obey British laws then they can have republic laws as soon as they like.

I don't think there is anything new or controversial in the idea that yes, you can have a rally, but no, you can't have it exactly when and where you like. No one minds when the G8 protestors are told they can have their demonstration 80 miles from the G8 summit after all...

The Orange order marching up and down catholic roads isn't all that far from the KKK announcing it would like the right to march in Harlem.

so long as they remain peaceful, they have every right to do it

That would have been one of the problems with the original route.