EU criminal law

**Crazed Rabbit** · 09-14-2005, 15:32

You didn't really think that the EU would be content to sit back in some areas and let member states decide what to do?

I remember reading an article by a Soviet dissident who saw this collection of power into the hands of an unelected group coming.

Now you know how US patrons feel about the supreme court- though even our court is made up of US citizens who are theoretically supposed to rule based on the US constitution. Yours is a bunch of unelected Europhiles. Now you guys are going to start losing whatever sovereignty you still have left to the power hungry EU that wants to control every facet of your life. You've lost laws already (have fun with foreigners making the laws-might be harder to fight the war on terror, or sort out those crazy imans that the EU courts won't let you deport), how long to taxes (raised, of course, to add more to EU coffers and French farmers), economic regulations, foreign policy, goverment projects (budgets), etc.

I suppose it'd be a wee bit cruel to tell you I told you so, so I won't say it very loud. I told you so. ;)

Crazed Rabbit

**English assassin** · 09-14-2005, 16:39

You didn't really think that the EU would be content to sit back in some areas and let member states decide what to do?

Well, I sort of hoped they might. I mean, healthy caution is one thing, paranoia another. Except I am starting to wonder if the paranoid weren't right all along.

Its the bloody dirigistes I suppose.

Its not really the same as the supreme court, in as much as, as you say, your supreme court is meant to have a pretty general role given that your constitution is far reaching, whereas the ECJ is supposed to ruile only on treaties that are MEANT to be do do with economics and and meant NOT to include criminal law in any form.

I mean [rant on] for gods sake what do we have to do to keep something out of the hands of the ECJ? "Criminal law is a matter for member states ONLY , we really really really mean it, ECJ this means you." triple underline with red ink. [rant off]

**BDC** · 09-14-2005, 16:56

Ah well. One big case and the EU will start to collapse. Hopefully several big cases in different countries all at the same time.

Bring back the trade block and nothing else.

**Duke Malcolm** · 09-14-2005, 17:00

Surely there is something in the rare but existant Uneditable Laws of the UK against this?

**BDC** · 09-14-2005, 17:09

Originally Posted by King Malcolm

Surely there is something in the rare but existant Uneditable Laws of the UK against this?

Yes. It's probably called treason and should be used against whichever idiot decided to let mainland Europe's laws overule our own.

**English assassin** · 09-14-2005, 17:42

Originally Posted by BDC

Yes. It's probably called treason and should be used against whichever idiot decided to let mainland Europe's laws overule our own.

Ted Heath, and he's dead.

I don't have a problem with EU law overruling UK law, (after all that was obvious in 1972 to anyone who read the Act,) so long as EU law stays where it belongs, ie things to do with, or anyway at least arguably connected to, trade.

**Steppe Merc** · 09-14-2005, 18:13

What criminal laws are the problem? Is this neccassarily wrong? Couldn't this force states with more harsh penalties into more sane ones?
The enviornmental protection hardly looks bad...

**A.Saturnus** · 09-14-2005, 18:24

Originally Posted by English assassin

I don't have a problem with EU law overruling UK law, (after all that was obvious in 1972 to anyone who read the Act,) so long as EU law stays where it belongs, ie things to do with, or anyway at least arguably connected to, trade.

Why is that where EU laws belong? The EU is not a trade agreement.
As you admitted yourself, GB has agreed to this. Why the heck do you think EU laws are called laws when they can´t be enforced?
There´s nothing undemocratic in this, the supreme court is just binding the members to what they agreed upon.