Federal judge declares Pledge unconstitutional

**Gawain of Orkeny** · 09-16-2005, 00:28

Some of you seem to think the founding fathers were out of their minds and dont realise no christianity equals no United States as we know it . In fact the constitution would never have been written. If you destroy christianity in the US you kill our system of government. Its all based on the fact the we get our rights from a supreme power not of this earth. I dont give a rats ass what you call it. It is this god all you secularists and lefties dispise that gives us these rights. Its hard for me to believe any of you have a sense of history reading some of the crap thats spewed forth here.

**AntiochusIII** · 09-16-2005, 00:31

Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny

Some of you seem to think the founding fathers were out of their minds

And you do realize you are basically saying you know what they think, and also disregarding the simple fact that it's like...wait...200+ years ago? And that at the age, democracy was considered radical?

**Gawain of Orkeny** · 09-16-2005, 00:38

And you do realize you are basically saying you know what they think,

Well since they wrote their thoughts down and eloquintly so the answer is yes.

and also disregarding the simple fact that it's like...wait...200+ years ago? And that at the age, democracy was considered radical?

Really. I thought it was already a few thousand years old. Besides what has this got to do with the constitution. Are we going to throw it out because it was written by christains?

**Ice** · 09-16-2005, 01:04

Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny

Well since they wrote their thoughts down and eloquintly so the answer is yes.

Really. I thought it was already a few thousand years old. Besides what has this got to do with the constitution. Are we going to throw it out because it was written by christains?

I hope not. The United States is still a Christian country by far, and people are going to have to accept that. We tolerate all relgions, but the majority of us are christian.

**Soulforged** · 09-16-2005, 01:20

The separation of secular society in general and religion, must happen, not only because it motivates rational thinking and desidence, but also because the power of the state must decrease eventually. Though this may seem like "freedom of speech", it's not. Why? Because that is a guarantee given by the state to the citezens and not the other way. The state is very pourly justified in it's very exisitence, so it's even more irrational to let them say what they want. If it's a public school (for instance i think subsidiated and ruled by the state, and a part of it's organs) then this kind of imposition cannot be constitutional, different is the case of the private schools. Here luckily this doesn't happens.

**khelvan** · 09-16-2005, 10:37

I don't understand what is so upsetting about this. To this uninformed person, the "separation of church and state" has benefitted both church and state. The Church of England seems to be much less strong in England than Christianity is in the United States. This separation seems to benefit all parties.

Why does anyone get upset that a policy which has allowed the church to survive and thrive in this nation be upheld?

**Gawain of Orkeny** · 09-16-2005, 16:44

Why does anyone get upset that a policy which has allowed the church to survive and thrive in this nation be upheld?

What policy would that be? Its the first amenment that protects religion here. The seperation crap does just the opposite. Again no where is this mentioned in the constitution. Once mopre the founding fathers considered this a christian nation and dont try to feed me that treaty of tripoli crap. Its easily rebuffed.