Catholic Church Says Even Celibate Gays Should Not Be Priests

[Lemur]

Here's an odd one: Archbishop O'Brien, the guy overseeing the reform of the Catholic seminaries and schools, has declared that even non-practising homosexuals should be barred from studying for the priesthood. Here's a direct quote:

The archbishop overseeing a Vatican-run inspection of U.S. seminaries said there is no room in seminaries for men with strong homosexual inclinations even if they have been celibate for a decade or more. "I think anyone who has engaged in homosexual activity, or has strong homosexual inclinations, would be best not to apply to a seminary and not to be accepted into a seminary," said Archbishop Edwin F. O'Brien.

So if I'm understanding this right, a priest should desire women, and only women, but never act on it. And a man can commit cold-blooded murder, repent, get a dispensation and become a priest. But a celibate gay man must not study in a seminary. Is it just me or is this kind of weird?

[Adrian II]

They are entitled to be as bigoted as they want, as long as they keep it to themselves.

And their hands as well.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Holy crap, are you that surprised?!

Sheesh.

Crazed Rabbit

[Proletariat]

Isn't their beef with their preference, not their actions? I don't see this as much of a surprise from them.

[Azi Tohak]

How much longer until priests can be married?

Azi

[Duke of Gloucester]

Isn't their beef with their preference, not their actions? I don't see this as much of a surprise from them.

No. The preference is not seen as sinful. The practice is. I cannot imagine how you have picked up the idea that the reverse is true.

PJ is right, it is a reaction to peadophilia scandals, and not a particularly logical one, given that some scandals involved heterosexual priests.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

At least it´s proof that the catholic church has a different view on what homosexuality is than Gawain.

Wow I havent even replied to this thread and you drag me in here. They have a different view only in the fact that I think if their celibate theres no reason other than political to deny them priesthood.

[BDC]

And that's why the Catholic Church is going to hell....

[A.Saturnus]

Wow I havent even replied to this thread and you drag me in here. They have a different view only in the fact that I think if their celibate theres no reason other than political to deny them priesthood.

Not quite. The position you defended before, namely that homosexuality is a behaviour, implies that there are no celibate homosexuals. If homosexuality is a behaviour, it is only existent where sexual behaviour is. Since celibate persons do not engage on sexual behaviour, they are neither homosexual nor heterosexual. At least according to what you said.

[Don Corleone]

Here's an odd one: Archbishop O'Brien, the guy overseeing the reform of the Catholic seminaries and schools, has declared that even non-practising homosexuals should be barred from studying for the priesthood. Here's a direct quote:

The archbishop overseeing a Vatican-run inspection of U.S. seminaries said there is no room in seminaries for men with strong homosexual inclinations even if they have been celibate for a decade or more. "I think anyone who has engaged in homosexual activity, or has strong homosexual inclinations, would be best not to apply to a seminary and not to be accepted into a seminary," said Archbishop Edwin F. O'Brien.

So if I'm understanding this right, a priest should desire women, and only women, but never act on it. And a man can commit cold-blooded murder, repent, get a dispensation and become a priest. But a celibate gay man must not study in a seminary. Is it just me or is this kind of weird?

Are you Catholic, or are you just looking to throw stones?

[GoreBag]

Oh, so all those poor altar boys were victimised by heterosexual priests. Whatever you say, Mr. O'Brien.

[Xiahou]

O'Brien then went on to say:

O'Brien, who leads the Archdiocese for the Military Services in Washington, said ''there are some priests, I don't think there are many, some ordained people with same-sex attractions and they've done very well" remaining celibate.

''But generally speaking, in my experience, the pressures are strong in an all-male atmosphere," he said. ''And if there have been past failings, the church really must stay on the safe side. . . . The same-sex attractions have gotten us into some legal problems."

Hope that clears it up for you Lemur.

[Lemur]

Are you Catholic, or are you just looking to throw stones?

Neither Catholic nor looking to throw stones. However, I have a great deal of respect for the Catholic Church, and I'm puzzled by some of their recent decisions. If anything, this strikes me as an over-reaction to the pedophilia scandals. I'm not sure it makes sense to focus so much attention on the gay pedophiles, when there are plenty of straight ones to be worried about.

When there's a worldwide shortage of qualified priests, and celibacy is the biggest stumbling block, I don't know that it makes sense to bar celibate gay men from the order. That's all.

[PanzerJaeger]

If anything, this strikes me as an over-reaction to the pedophilia scandals.

I believe the british term is "Spot on!".

I think its time for a new vatican council, to work out this issue and many others. The Catholic lifestyle is just as aplicable today as it was 500 years ago, it just has to continually adapt with human progression.

[A.Saturnus]

At least it´s proof that the catholic church has a different view on what homosexuality is than Gawain.

[Navaros]

any Church that really believes in what the Bible says most definitely would not ever allow gays to be Priests

the Bible is very clear about what it says about gays. having them be Priests would be an affront against God, and a mockery of the Priest role

[Ja'chyra]

Catholic Church Says Even Celibate Gays Should Not Be Priests

No it didn't:

I think anyone who has engaged in homosexual activity, or has strong homosexual inclinations, would be best not to apply to a seminary and not to be accepted into a seminary

I, not the church, a personnal opinion not a rule.

The Holy See should be coming out with a document about this

Should be, not is or will be.

Any, it's their church so it's their rules.

[English assassin]

the Bible is very clear about what it says about gays.

Does anyone by any chance still have that link to the amusing article that says all the other things the Bible is clear about, you remember, the one that says my neighbour is clean shaven in clear contravention of Leviticus 3:12 must I stone him to death or is it acceptable to use a rifle, etc etc?

Come to think of it I think it should be an org rule that that article is posted wherever Nav posts one of his "the Bible hates gays" routines.

[A.Saturnus]

any Church that really believes in what the Bible says most definitely would not ever allow gays to be Priests

the Bible is very clear about what it says about gays. having them be Priests would be an affront against God, and a mockery of the Priest role

You know your bible poorly Navaros. The bible makes no statement with regard to this. It forbids a man "to lie with a man as one would lie with a woman". That´s exactly what calibate homosexuals don´t.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

That´s exactly what I wanted to say. The curch and you disagree.But I guess you can live with that.

Since I dont go to church , it easy.

[A.Saturnus]

Since I dont go to church , it easy.

Yeah, but do you go to curch? I´ll unpray for better spelling.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Lets hope your unprayers are answered

[Hurin_Rules]

I'm not sure such a ban is canonical, according to the Catholic Church's own rules. Why is homosexuality different than any other sin in this regard? According to the church, God's grace has the power to save anyone. Absolution washes away the stain of sin. If this is the case, then everyone needs to be forgiven if the repent, show contrition, confess and receive absolution. Why, as some posters have noted, can murderers be forgiven and accepted as priests, but not homosexuals?

I agree with Papewaio that all churches should be taxed, just like any other private organizations.