This is just ridicolous

**Budwise** · 09-16-2005, 11:41

Originally Posted by Zarax

As I stated in the first post, after the battle he gained swift justice and 1 command, with no other vices.

Yeah, I read that - but I thought you might have missed it. Sorry

**Zarax** · 09-16-2005, 11:43

Originally Posted by Budwise

Yeah, I read that - but I thought you might have missed it. Sorry

No problem

Anyways, loosing 2 valour didn't seem to hurt him, as he made an excellent performance in the following castle assault (will post about it later)

**antisocialmunky** · 09-16-2005, 11:52

That sometimes happens for some strange reason. It's probably a bug with the recomputing of valour gained.

**ToranagaSama** · 09-16-2005, 15:16

Never seen such a thing happen in all my years playing Total War.

You sure you didn't Rout him by mistake or something.

Do you have a REplay?

@budwise

I found that it doesn't matter unless you kill them AFTER you see the stat screen that you posted.

Am I mistaking your meaning? It doesn't matter if you kill the Captured during the battle or after, you still get the +dread.

The thing is that, if killed during the battle, I *believe* it will have effect *during* the battle.

Need to give your General a little boost in effect? Got a couple hundred *captured*? Kill em!! So, the theory goes....

**Zarax** · 09-16-2005, 15:21

Originally Posted by ToranagaSama

Never seen such a thing happen in all my years playing Total War.

You sure you didn't Rout him by mistake or something.

Do you have a REplay?

Unfortunately I don't have a replay, however he lost the 2 valour points just before the end battle screen appeare...

**dgfred** · 09-16-2005, 15:46

Originally Posted by ToranagaSama

Never seen such a thing happen in all my years playing Total War.

You sure you didn't Rout him by mistake or something.

Do you have a REplay?

@budwise

Am I mistaking your meaning? It doesn't matter if you kill the Captured during the battle or after, you still get the +dread.

The thing is that, if killed during the battle, I *believe* it will have effect *during* the battle.

Need to give your General a little boost in effect? Got a couple hundred *captured*? Kill em!! So, the theory goes....

My theory is to kill them during the battle to freak their army out, I don't
know if it really has any effect though

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**Knight Templar** · 09-16-2005, 20:16

Have you maybe checked logfile of the battle?

**EatYerGreens** · 09-17-2005, 06:38

Originally Posted by Knight Templar

Have you maybe checked logfile of the battle?

I was going to recommend this myself but I don't mind being beaten to the wire.

What I'd suggest looking for is to see if you can find the record for the unit(s) you sent him to attack and find out if any men in that unit (most likely the unit leader carrying a vice) had negative valour at the start of the battle.

It could be a glitch in the 'valour transference' thing, whereby it has added the valour of a man killed to that of whoever killed him (likely your king himself) but it has added a negative value. Ouch!

I think a.s.m.'s post is closer to the mark, or it could be a combination of both.

If you can't find anything special about the log for the unit your king attacked, then maybe paste the section covering your king's unit into a reply, so we can pick over it. It should contain columns showing 'pre-battle valour' and 'post-battle valour', which should be revealing, particularly with regard to v0 respawned bodyguards.

**antisocialmunky** · 09-16-2005, 22:03

Originally Posted by ToranagaSama

Never seen such a thing happen in all my years playing Total War.

I see it on a regular basis with my super high level royalty.

With the King, or your Doge in this instance, I think it's sometimes has to do with the extra men that get autospawned for the king. Their valour gets reaveraged after the battle and a few valour points are taken off because the spawned guard is spawned with less valour.

**ToranagaSama** · 09-17-2005, 08:04

Originally Posted by antisocialmunky

I see it on a regular basis with my super high level royalty.

With the King, or your Doge in this instance, I think it's sometimes has to do with the extra men that get autospawned for the king. Their valour gets reaveraged after the battle and a few valour points are taken off because the spawned guard is spawned with less valour.

Houston, I think we have a problem....

What version of MTW are you playing?

I forget which, but *respawning bodyguard* went out with either one of the patches or VI itself.

@budwise

What version are you playing?

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My theory is to kill them during the battle to freak their army out, I don't know if it really has any effect though

Doesn't it say something to that effect in the manual? Pretty sure that's the official word. Probably won't help in a losing battle, but *may* help in a winning battle. Causing the battle to end quicker and thereby you'll suffer fewer losses and kill more of the enemy as they flee from your dreaded presense.

**Zarax** · 09-17-2005, 09:09

Thanks for the answers, now I've got a noobish question: Where are the logfiles? are they active by default?

**EatYerGreens** · 09-17-2005, 09:42

Originally Posted by ToranagaSama

Houston, I think we have a problem....

What version of MTW are you playing?

I forget which, but *respawning bodyguard* went out with either one of the patches or VI itself.

I'm playing v2.01 and I've seen the faction leader's bodyguard regenerate but only by a handful of men (3 or 4) per turn. Princes and ex-royal general's bodyguards definitely do not regenerate, so they do have to be retrained.

Incidentally, the CA notes in the VI readme address a specific problem whereby an early RK unit undergoing retraining in the year where you transition to High (or High to Late) used to cause the unit to disappear completely, so it seems this issue was well known to many. Now they emerge with a full retinue and a change to the correct unit type for the new era.