in terms of damage(RTW's attack-power)
I'm voting pike (imaging teh Kinetic energie of such a heavy thing)
as for the rest, i think:
axe=falcata (about)
2-h axe=hammer
overhead spear > underhead
longsword > shortsword
most effective melee weapon?
in terms of damage(RTW's attack-power)
I'm voting pike (imaging teh Kinetic energie of such a heavy thing)
as for the rest, i think:
axe=falcata (about)
2-h axe=hammer
overhead spear > underhead
longsword > shortsword
Last edited by jerby; 09-10-2005 at 16:04.
Re: most effective melee weapon?
jerby you spammer.
In terms of dammage Hamer.
If you are naget it will kill you. If you have chain mail it will still kill you. If you have full plate armour it will still kill you.
Last edited by LorDBulA; 09-10-2005 at 16:10.
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couldn't the same be said of axes and longswords that are end-heavy enough?Originally Posted by LorDBulA
now i'm here, and history is vindicated.
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For two handed axe yes. Not so much for the long sword (its weight is distibuted diffrently so its easy to use).
But i prefer hammer, especialy with a spike on one end (not that i am strong enough to use one)
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me, a spammer?
i'm just trying to get more life into here.
and your probably right about the hammer. I was taking formation into account. wich i shouldn't have..
but i don't think there's a lot of material-defense against a hammer, or 2-h-axe. both have a lot of mass- with a lot of downward power. i think thebest defense would be: don't get hit, or your screwed.
but i guess this is pointless because all weapons are effective in theri own way:
-falcata's aren't as damaging as a hammer. but are more versatile/faster
-shortsword will do the least damage but are the fastest/cheapest and much easier in use
-hammers and axes..just to heavy to stop with any armor
-pikes: sheer mass for force...completly useless outside formation
-spear: less powerfull than pike but easier to use. even outside formation.
-stick: ..never mind.
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I especialy like this weapon (i dont know its english name)
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The ultimate answer for Plate armour (if we talk about melee weapons).
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isn't that just a plain ol' warhammer? most warhammers had a blunt side and a pick side (for piercing armor).
but about longswords, what about big two-handed warswords like the claymore or those massive german swords that landesknechts used? a full swing with one of those to the side of someone's head would surely do some damage regardless of armor, right?
now i'm here, and history is vindicated.
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That's a warhammer in English. I know absolutely no Polish, though, so I can't tell you if it's a footman's hammer or a horseman's hammer. It's a decent weapon, but difficult with which to land a lethal blow unless your opponent is armoured and a little slow (those two usually go together).
I voted "Axe", referring to a hand-axe. I agree with Meatwad, but even better about a hand-axe is that once your shield is out of use, the larger ones are two-hand compatible. As well, you can't throw two-handed axes as well as a one-hander.
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i btw guess the romphia goes along with the Kopis. or long-sword..so will teh falx...
can anybody btw tell e the difference between the falx and rhomphia?
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And what about the "gladius hispaniensis" ? Strange that the most deadly weapon of antiquity isn't represented in this poll.
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i guess that it is in this category strait-shortsword. If jerby would like to make evry weapon ever made avaible in pool it would be a very long list.
What about Halabards this was very nice weapon.
Last edited by LorDBulA; 09-10-2005 at 16:37.
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lol
I would say the shortsword in a thick melee cuase you have room to manouver.
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It all really depends on who's using the weapon, and how they're being used. For example, a double handed weapon which needs alot of room to maneuver with would be pretty useless against a densly packed formation amoungst their ranks. I dont think there is one single best weapon, they all have their own advantages and disadvantages.
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You are totaly right but jerby adds in his first postIt all really depends on who's using the weapon, and how they're being used. For example, a double handed weapon which needs alot of room to maneuver with would be pretty useless against a densly packed formation amoungst their ranks. I dont think there is one single best weapon, they all have their own advantages and disadvantages.so we have a base to choose the best weapon (damage wise).in terms of damage
Yep it was. Are we limited only to RTW timeframe?halbards were rannaissance weapons i believe.
Yep the basic design is the same. But it is a weapon invented in XV century especialy for opening medieval cans (full plate aromur). It was small, and very effective.isn't that just a plain ol' warhammer? most warhammers had a blunt side and a pick side (for piercing armor).
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[QUOTE=LorDBulA]You are totaly right but jerby adds in his first post so we have a base to choose the best weapon (damage wise).
Ok, well personally I think that the gladius is pretty awesome, the thought of having it thrust through your gut and then up behind the ribcage seems quite painfull. Picture that potential carried by a ten wide five deep red mass, thrusting away their gladius swords!
In terms of looks though, I love celtic short swords, the shapes of the pummels and hilts are fantastic. And I also like greek swords, especialy those wieghted tip swords used by their cavalry.
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Where's the option for the Dacian Falx?
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Or the rhomphaia. My vote definitely goes to it or the falx.
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Where is the kontus or xyston? That would certaintly be the best. After that, an Iranian longsword. But bows are the best.
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Re: most effective melee weapon?
knew you'd say that..
count the Iranian sword as a long-sword..
and i guess i didn't take in cav-weapons designed for charge-retreat battles because i dont think of that as "melee"
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Beanfart.
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Oh, I thought you meant realistically. In reality, the one-handed axe is one of the most underrated weapons of all time, because it tends to be unwieldy; with an experienced hand, however, a man with a one-handed axe and a shield is unbeatable, because the axe just keeps coming down. In RTW- I have no idea.
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no no..you got me right.
what i meant was: what will do the most damage in real life. and as a clarification for "damage" i mentioned the "RTW attack-strength"
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i voted 2 handed axe, the enemy cant fight when they are cleaved in two
but it is unyieldy
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I voted for the short sword. I think the Roman gladius would have been the most effective. Pikes and spears can be broken, and then you are really in trouble. The two-handed axe is very risky, if you miss, you're dead. The one handed axe has the disadvantage in that you can see it coming, and therefore block it or avoid it much more easily. Longswords were probably the second best, because they are nowhere near as flexible in combat. The gladius was the best becasue the Romans used it for stabbing, not slashing. It is much harded to block than a swinging sword.
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Re: most effective melee weapon?
I'd have to say Falcata.
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