Objectionable links

[Gawain of Orkeny]

I was informed that my links to audio outtakes from FMJ and the Goodfellas are against org rules. This would then mean that any site that has either written or audio quotes of these is also against org rules. It would also cover any site that has any movie or book with objectionable material or swearing in it. How can the Babe thread be ok but a link with a warning that you have to click on to view be not allowed? As Divinus Arma said

Links to links? What about links to links to links? That pretty much rules out the entire internet. Thus this forum should be closed down

And now by Revelation

[QUOTESurely you can't go soft over a link mr over-protective moderator? Perhaps you should go on a tree killing spree and vent some of that over exuberance
There is a foul word warning of sorts after all. Sad, very sad?[/QUOTE]

Isnt the disclaimer enough?

[Beirut]

This site, if I may speak above my station for a moment, is for the enjoyment of the many, not the few. Therefore there are a set of rules, reasonable as I see them, that are set in place to keep a lid on content that the many would find objectionable or would lead to a slippery slope of over-indulgence in nasty content.

A low to zero tolerance of swearing is not unreasonable. After all, there are young'uns here.

The babe thread is an indulgence (and a damn fine one at that!) that seems to fit well with the Frontroom. Be it known that there are rules applicable for that thread as well and many pictures have been removed due to inappropriate content.

IMHO, if there is no way for a poster to satiate his posting proclivities without resorting to foul language, then perhaps a different forum might better suit him.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

IMHO, if there is no way for a poster to satiate his posting proclivities without resorting to foul language, then perhaps a different forum might better suit him.

Did I resort to foul language ? Was it done to be provactive? There are quite few here Im sure whos parents would dissapvove of the babe thread over my links. You are being over protective here. Again if we were to not allow any site that had a curse word on it we would really be cutting down on whats allowed to be posted here.

The babe thread is an indulgence (and a damn fine one at that!) that seems to fit well with the Frontroom

So then as long as it indulges you its fine huh? We have had pictures of torture and death on these boards but a funny outake from a movie is objectionable. This is lunacy.

[TosaInu]

Pictures of torture, really?

[Beirut]

Gawain,

It is fair to mention that you ignored my posts from 24 hours ago asking you to edit your links. You also ignored my PM from 16 hours ago asking you to edit your links. (I have a read-receipt.)

My notes were polite, gave ample reasons, and cited forum rules. You complety ignored everything and made no effort whatsoever to contact me and work the situation out.

I don't think it's fair of you to complain like this. You made zero effort to remedy the situation.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

It is fair to mention that you ignored my posts from 24 hours ago asking you to edit your links. You also ignored my PM from 16 hours ago asking you to edit your links. (I have a read-receipt.)

I didnt read your post. I did however read your pm I admit. Also exactly what you meant by edit was unclear and I was quite tird at the time. As soon as I logged on today BKS pmed me and I responed immeadatly. Whats objectionable to you or BKS is not to me so I left it to him to edit. I though you had this power as well.

My notes were polite, gave ample reasons, and cited forum rules. You complety ignored everything and made no effort whatsoever to contact me and work the situation out.

Again I thought if you really had a problem you could just delete them. There is no working the situtation out as I doubt you would change your mind.

I don't think it's fair of you to complain like this. You made zero effort to remedy the situation.

I did I put it in the hands of BKS. Sorry I didnt jump fast enough for you.

Pictures of torture, really?

Does Abu Gharib ring a bell for one. How about the video of Marines shooting a man?

[Beirut]

There is no working the situtation out as I doubt you would change your mind.

Well it's hard to work the situation out if you presume I won't listen to you and therefore don't speak to me about it. I am certainly reasonable enough to listen to your viewpoint.

Sorry I didnt jump fast enough for you.

Oh please, nobody is asking you to bow down or jump to commands. But there are clearly stated rules and you should not act so surprised when the staff asks you to observe them. The zero tolerance rule for swearing in the Frontroom is very clearly posted and constantly enforced both publicly and ruthlessly. I doubt you got to 10,000+ posts by not knowing what's going on around you in the forums.

IM(not so)HO, I think you are going out of your way to pick a fight and I don't see any benefit in it for anyone. The zero tolerance rule regarding swearing is in effect and will remain so until further notice. So please be advised, that in the Frontroom - and the Backroom as well as posted by Ser Clegane - there is zero tolerance for swearing.

I think that's clear enough.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Well it's hard to work the situation out if you presume I won't listen to you and therefore don't speak to me about it. I am certainly reasonable enough to listen to your viewpoint.

Zero tolerance is zero tolerance is it not? Havent the ridiculus things about kids getting arresseted or suspended for having a toy gun or giving another student an aspirin demonstrated the folly of such positions?

Oh please, nobody is asking you to bow down or jump to commands. But there are clearly stated rules and you should not act so surprised when the staff asks you to observe them.

My point is only that I didnt do it fast enough for you.

The zero tolerance rule for swearing in the Frontroom is very clearly posted and constantly enforced both publicly and ruthlessly

I didnt swear Sgt Ermey did I even warned others that they might find the link objectionable. You didnt see any cursing from looking at my post you had to act upon it.

[TosaInu]

Does Abu Gharib ring a bell for one. How about the video of Marines shooting a man?

Erm, no.. what is Abu Gharib? Video of Marines shooting a man?

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Argh, that was an accident. I apologise for that, my finger slipped.

I'd be happy for you to re-post the unobjectionable ones.

I missed the Goodfellas clip, thanks for bringing it to my attention.
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Now since all the objectionable material has been removed can you and Beruit explain why this thread is locked? !!!!!!!!!!!!

[Strike For The South]

Erm, no.. what is Abu Gharib? Video of Marines shooting a man?

was that sarcasm And Gawian let the mods do what they need to there are young impreshenable minds on this board (BP JAG Mikeus) and this is only a forum life will go on my friend

[TosaInu]

This is about Frontroom -> moved.

[Beirut]

Now since all the objectionable material has been removed can you and Beruit explain why this thread is locked? !!!!!!!!!!!!

The thread was closed by me because it was turning into a scrap-fest of accusations and counter-accusations, completely out of line with the atmosphere of the Frontroom. BKS may re-open the thread at his discretion of course.

The Frontroom rules have been posted and made abundantly clear and still people act surprised when they are enforced. Bad language, bad manners and general nastiness are out of place in the Frontroom and are not permitted.

Let us make it abundantly clear again - The Peace & Love atmosphere of the Frontroom will be enforced by sword point if required. The rules are posted, the rules are clear, the rules will be ruthlessly enforced and we make no apologies for it.

[Byzantine Prince]

there are young impressionable minds on this board (BP

Who are you calling impressionable!?!?!?

[Del Arroyo]

You know Beirut there is such a thing as soft-touch, there is such a thing as restraint. Running around stomping on every tiny thing may not be the most effective way to enforce rules-- people will get annoyed. I mean, you obviously will WIN, but you're not really contributing to the well-being of the boards.

The "this is just a board" mantra applies to moderators as well as patrons, IMO. It is just a board!

DA

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

No - it is the very best board out there, and things must be done to maintain that status.

[Beirut]

You know Beirut there is such a thing as soft-touch, there is such a thing as restraint. Running around stomping on every tiny thing may not be the most effective way to enforce rules-- people will get annoyed.

Agreed. That's why we don't stomp on every tiny thing in The Frontroom.

Just swearing, religion and politics. The rest of the entire breadth of the known universe and all that it has contained for the past 15,000,000,000 years is open to discussion.

I think that's pretty fair.

[Reverend Joe]

Gawian let the mods do what they need to there are young impreshenable minds on this board (BP JAG Mikeus)

JAG is Gawain. I think.

Anyway, Gawain does have a point, in a way- most kids who have the intellegence to post here have heard all the words we don't want them using (aside from the really bad ones- namely references to race or genatalia.) However, that is the catch- if cursing is allowed, then the truly offensive words will find their way onto the Org, so a policy of suppresion becomes necessary.

[Ludens]

Anyway, Gawain does have a point, in a way- most kids who have the intellegence to post here have heard all the words we don't want them using (aside from the really bad ones- namely references to race or genatalia.) However, that is the catch- if cursing is allowed, then the truly offensive words will find their way onto the Org, so a policy of suppresion becomes necessary.

Indeed. There is no such thing as "light cursing", or at least not for long. So it is better to forbid all swearwords, since they are not necessary for conversation. If someone does feel inhibited by this, there are plenty of other forums where he or she can swear to his heart's desire.

[Big_John]

That's why we don't stomp on every tiny thing in The Frontroom.

Just swearing, religion and politics.

... and the sweet, sublime nude aspect of the beautiful women.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

I must say the org is very hypocritical in some of its rules. As a parent I find a few cuss words used in an extremely humorous manner far less objectionable for children than entire threads telling them there is no god and that they are crazy to believe in one. Or threads where their told sex is fine anytime with anyone as long as you and the other person or persons agree it. Telling them being gay is a fine alternative lifestyle .Trying to claim that the org has a pg rating is lying to yourselves.

Video of Marines shooting a man?

Yes a video was posted here of Marines shooting a wounded Iraqi. It was posted to show how horrible Marines were. Yes you actually saw them shoot and kill him and then cheer the fact . But a funny clip from a movie that has a warning is objectionable. Hypocracy at best. I suggest the backroom is no place for kids then.

[Divinus Arma]

Yes a video was posted here of Marines shooting a wounded Iraqi. It was posted to show how horrible Marines were. Yes you actually saw them shoot and kill him and then cheer the fact . But a funny clip from a movie that has a warning is objectionable. Hypocracy at best. I suggest the backroom is no place for kids then.

This why we need a back back room. Stuff like this is real and going on constantly. What if I posted imagery from the New Orleans disatser with bodies floating in the water? It is real. It is terrible.

But we come to the Org united by our enthusiasm over one of the best franchises ever: Total War. Nobody comes to this site for the backroom FIRST. That is what makes the backroom so unique from other forums and websites. All of us at one time or anopther have sat for a few hours with STW, MTW, or RTW. We sought more info and happily stumbled across the Org. I myself am not a member to TW Center, Strat command, or any other forum because the poeple and the discussion here is honest, friendly, and we all share a common bond. Where else can a Senior Citizen, a Fifteen year old, Liberals, Conservatives, Military members, military haters, and people from all over the world come and share this type of productive environment.

I understand the frontroom policy and the policy through the typical forums. I visit them as much as the backroom, if not more. But sometimes, It's nice to have a place to talk about the real world. And the real world is dark, cruel, and violent.

So let's have a backbackroom. Knock on the door in the middle of the night and the guard moves aside the wooden slit, revealing squinting suspicious eyes. Mention the password and yee shall enter. It is a place for men.




uhmm... and women. that was for effect.

[TosaInu]

Yes a video was posted here of Marines shooting a wounded Iraqi. It was posted to show how horrible Marines were. Yes you actually saw them shoot and kill him and then cheer the fact . But a funny clip from a movie that has a warning is objectionable. Hypocracy at best. I suggest the backroom is no place for kids then.

Please allow me to point out, that the out takes topic was not in the Backroom.

I presume it's God in your context, not god.


In the past there was one OT forum (Tavern). I was never much of a visitor there, but it was a more friendly place (some naughty incidents though) than it is these days. Instead of beating it back into compatible shape (like we probably should have), we split it in two: Frontroom and Backroom. The Frontroom is for lemonade and alcohol free beer, Whisky is only served in the Backroom.

There have been several discussions about creating a 18+ boyz(R) lockerroom style forum, and I for one would be very interested to see which Hero(TM) starts crying first, but it's not going to happen.

I think it's unfair to blame us for not censoring civil disussions about ideas/filosophies/religions, while also blaming us for editing out swearing and flames.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Please allow me to point out, that the out takes topic was not in the Backroom

Indeed true and my mistake. Dioes that mean I can post them in the backroom? If not why was this threadmoved if it affects the backroom? Or why wasnt the origibnal merely moved to the backroom itself from the start?

Gawian let the mods do what they need to there are young impreshenable minds on this board

Agai I dont know about you but I dont want my children reading crap like theirs no god and christians are both nuts and akin to terrorists. That Christianity should be thrown out as a pagan practice and that sex is good for you. But a link with a warning that there is objectionable language there is out of line. I supppose a link to TWC would like wise be censored since people curse there all the time. Or any site that contains cursing or links to R rated movies anywhere.

I think it's unfair to blame us for not censoring civil disussions about ideas/filosophies/religions, while also blaming us for editing out swearing and flames.
I would remind you all that I never swear here and much as some of you may not believe I try to avoid flaming people. Cursing for cursing sake or to insult someone is deplorable and should have no place on these boards. But when used as humor and without being able to be seen unless you ignore a warning should be sufficient. Heck no Richard Pryor jokes on these boards. Its the intent of whats written not the words themselves that are important. Im not saying we should stop talikng about ideas/filosophies/religions but we should also not be hypocrites and only censor nudity and cursing all the while telling us that sex with anyone is fine as long as you not related or there is no god and if you believe it you an idiot. Which do you think most parents would find more objectionable? Well in Europe it may be different

[Beirut]

If you're looking for regulatory perfection you aren't going to find it here.

Granted some of the rules seem like a mish-mash of conservatism and liberalism but that's reflection of both the membership and of the staff. And since the staff are volunteers from all walks of life, with different attitudes and changing abilities to devote their energies to this site, finding the level of continuity you seek might be less than realistic. But we're doing what we can.

One thing we are doing - though I know you might not appreciate the way we are doing it - is keeping the Frontroom safe. The babe thread is an indulgence to many of us, but the rules have been set and most people are following them nicely. Those who post porn or links to porn are warned hard and fast not to do it again. Recidivism is very low. As for the swearing, the zero tolerance rule is taking hold nicely and we have few problems.

To be painfully honest, the recent events involving yourself have been far and away the most vocal and troublesome. Nobody else except for one miscreant who is now permanently banned came close to raising the ruckus you did. So I'm of the opinion that while the rules themselves are far from perfect, it is only a very small minority who see them as a blight on their posting pleasures.

[Reverend Joe]

Who got banned? Abokasee? Or that Centurion Officer guy? I still remember that one disturbing thread he posted about some sort of male sex club.

Actually, I probably wouldn't know them.

But, frankly, Gawain, I don't see any validity to your arguments. Just accept that this isn't going to happen. Thee are simply too many freaks and perverts, not to mention stupid people, to allow for objectionable links.

[Divinus Arma]

Wasn't his account name "Horse Archer"? This was only a couple months ago. He tried opening new accounts after being banned too.

Nobody else except for one miscreant who is now permanently banned came close to raising the ruckus you did

Beirut, don't you think you are being a tad excessive? You are implying that Gawain might be permanently banned! Just because he disagrees with your statement?That's ridiculous. He came to the watchtower like he was supposed to when raising a complaint.

Watchtower
A forum where we can talk about the Org forums. It's your chance to influence Org's policy.

I think I will "attempt to influence the Org's policy" by asking that you take a chill pill. I've never seen anybody get so touchy moderating here as you do. It is discomforting.

[Divinus Arma]

Well, I don't have edit so I'll just say this:

I am just going to drop this before Beirut trys to take his axe to my manhood.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

If you're looking for regulatory perfection you aren't going to find it here.

I dont expect perfection but some consitency would be nice.

One thing we are doing - though I know you might not appreciate the way we are doing it - is keeping the Frontroom safe. The babe thread is an indulgence to many of us, but the rules have been set and most people are following them nicely.

If the frontroom is supposed to be so sanctrospect how is that this thread isnt in the backroom where it belongs ? If anywhere.

As for the swearing, the zero tolerance rule is taking hold nicely and we have few problems.

Why have only swearing and total nudity been censored here? Again you saw no swearing in my post at all. Just a link with a warning. You fail to answer any of my questions.

To be painfully honest, the recent events involving yourself have been far and away the most vocal and troublesome

What events are these? The fact that I speak my mind? Who am I troubling? Theres no doubt im the most vocal here. Hell(oops I cursed) look at my post count.

Nobody else except for one miscreant who is now permanently banned came close to raising the ruckus you did

Again what ruckus is this? That I question hypocritcal rules. As long as I obey them whats the problem?

So I'm of the opinion that while the rules themselves are far from perfect, it is only a very small minority who see them as a blight on their posting pleasures.

Again I obey the rules. You have never seen me curse here and lord nows with all the personal attacks I recieve Ive been tempted. You might not believe but in real life Ive been known to swear like A Marine. Again this was a humorus thread . You need to lighten up. Your taking this Mod thing all to serious. Do you have any doubt that I will ever post such a link again. But I warn you I will be looking at all other links that may have a curse words somewhere on the site and I expect you to do so as well. I believe you will be amazed at how many sites will now be off limits. Heck I even got away with posting a link to NAMBLA here.

[Beirut]

Beirut, don't you think you are being a tad excessive? You are implying that Gawain might be permanently banned! Just because he disagrees with your statement?That's ridiculous. He came to the watchtower like he was supposed to when raising a complaint.

I was most certainly not implying that. What I was doing was drawing an analogy between Gawain's level of indignation over this beaten to death issue and the behaviour of one of the only, if not the only, other person to raise such a ruckus over such a small matter. Not a very flattering comparison to be sure.

Gawain is one of the most respected debaters on these forums. I am very familiar with his capabilities. His iron will and knowledge of the facts has thrashed me more than once in long running debates. Yet in all those debates Gawain never once swore at me in order to aid his point. No matter how heated the discussion became, he retained a civil tongue. That is exactly why I am so surprised that he would beat this dead horse over and over and over and over and make such a fuss because the forums don't allow people to say **** or post links to wav. files that have people saying ****. I mean, really, don't we have anything better to do?

If I am being overly sensitive it's because I am surprised, annoyed, and tired of listening to people moan and whine about the horrors of Org. life because they aren't allowed to swear. If it's that serious a problem, then I suggest they write **** in huge letters across their bedroom ceiling and just lie there and stare at it for a few hours each night before they drift off to sleep. Maybe that will get it out of their system.

This is not the U.N., a court of law, nor a First Amendment support group. It is a game forum where we ask members not to swear. I mean... is it really that hard to soak up that one little fact?