The problem i have with pavs is that they rarely achieve more than just shooting other pavs, if a whole team took no pavs then it wouldnt be a problem as a full charge would only give therm time for 2 volleys.

Longs are a really fun unit although im not the best woth them (they havnt got horses) however on mtw they were very good, i used to take 4 and shoot them all at 1 charging unit, this unit would be down to half strength b4 it reached me and break quikly in combat forcing chain rout- i havnt tried this yet on vi.