Any mods with correct sized units?

[rebelscum]

You guys obviously know your stuff, however if the game starts pre 256 BC that would be early legions pre Polybian and Livys legion description would be correct.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

The Maniples of the Polyibian Legion are sized like this:

Legion: 4,200 men.

Maniple of Hastatii/Principes: 160 men

Maniple of Triarii: 60 men

Forty Velites were attached to each maniple

Each Cohort is composed of one maniple of each, divided into two centuries. Ten Cohorts make up the Legion.

Added to which there were 320 organic cavalry, divided into 10 tumae of 32 men.

The problem is that this isn't until the 2nd Century BC.

So the the Legion at the start of the game should be the Camillian Legion, with all five property classes, I would say the Rorarii and Accensi were probably last ditch reserves. The last class Accensi litterally means reserves.

If you want to get really pedantic then you should also take into account the fact the Gladius hasn't been invented at the start of the game, nor the helemts the Legionaries wear, and the shield of the skirmishers should be three feet in diamater.

Since the game is clearly screwed regarding accuracy I wouldn't worry about the unit sizes.

[lars573]

The Maniples of the Polyibian Legion are sized like this:

Legion: 4,200 men.

Maniple of Hastatii/Principes: 160 men

Maniple of Triarii: 60 men

Forty Velites were attached to each maniple

Each Cohort is composed of one maniple of each, divided into two centuries. Ten Cohorts make up the Legion.

Added to which there were 320 organic cavalry, divided into 10 tumae of 32 men.

The problem is that this isn't until the 2nd Century BC.

So the the Legion at the start of the game should be the Camillian Legion, with all five property classes, I would say the Rorarii and Accensi were probably last ditch reserves. The last class Accensi litterally means reserves.

If you want to get really pedantic then you should also take into account the fact the Gladius hasn't been invented at the start of the game, nor the helemts the Legionaries wear, and the shield of the skirmishers should be three feet in diamater.

Since the game is clearly screwed regarding accuracy I wouldn't worry about the unit sizes.

Not true the Polybian system was put in place in 275 BC. The Camillan system goes from 400 to 275 BC.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Excuse me, *Goes away, does some reading.* Polybius was apparently born in 204BC in Arcadia and was held by the Romans 160-140BC, aproximate. Where do you get the date 275BC?

[Kraxis]

Ifyou use the date of the author as a mark then wouldn't the fact that Livy lived around the time of Augustus bring a small flag?

[rebelscum]

According to this source,
http://www.roman-empire.net/army/army.html which is where I got the information from to begin with, it doesn't give an exact date for the census, but from wikipedia Servius Tullius died around 535BC. So the original five class system existed even into the fourth century BC. Then Scipio brought in some reforms to the Roman army and we see the setup as we have in the game, but this is supposed to be 2nd century BC, which is much earlier than the beggining of the game. Does the EB mod address this as well?

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Kraxis, yes, Livy gets a flag, which is why I'm looking to Polybius.

While I'm distrustful of internet sources, and that one does seem slightly dodgy, it still bears me out on the broad points.

It states "2nd Century BC" for the Post-Camillian. Thats the 100's, not the 200's.