German Tanks in WW2 - the wrong conception

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

Since the entire point of the HESH/HEP is to splatter out on the concrete walls of a bunker or armour of a tank I would definately say it is already delayed. And walls in normal buldings aren't too thick, allowing the HESH to beat through first.

Didn't know HEAT rounds could be delayed. That of course will help it a whole lot. But if it can be delayed (which I can't believe would be good against armour) why can't HESH?

Well, I would imagine the HESH isn't any use with a delayed fuse as it's destructive effects are gained through the plastic explosive inside spreading out over the surface it impacts. If you delay the charge, which is generally used to allow rounds to penetrate buildings and detonate on the inside, it's not going to be able to spread out properly, and, as it's not a high KE round, I'm not certain it would get through the armor/wall anyway.

Does anyone use HESH anymore, anyway? I thought it was all discarding sabot KE and HEAT rounds for anti-tank stuff, and HE for anti-infantry. HESH just isn't as effective against armor as the KE and heat rounds-although it is good against bunkers.

[Kraxis]

Argh... As I said the Sabot and HEAT are the principal rounds (generally the only carried) while I have heard of HESH for the Rheinmetall 120mm. I figured it was there for use against buildings.

My entire point of bringing up the HESH was because I supposed it was better against buildings, and that the American tanks in Iraq seems to support their infantry in action in cities. Sabots simply aren't worth much when there is no armour around. And HEATs are expensive (comparably), and perhaps not as good, though that can really be discussed.

[DemonArchangel]

Here's one swift way to defeat HESH. Put sandbags on the outside of bunkers with a thick layer of spacing/padding. The round will hit the sandbags and not transmit its shockwaves to the concrete beneath. HEAT would penetrate the sandbags to the concrete beneath. Also remember that houses and rubble can be fortified and turned into quasi bunkers.