Rights of Man

[Soulforged]

The discussion of such is what creates a stronger democracy and a better government. Society in the end will decide what delagation of authority/responsiblity that it wants to provide to the government. If the government assumes to much power from society - the past tells us that eventually the people will revolt and constitute a new form of government.

And what about if the government just is an instrument of the higher classes?

[Redleg]

And what about if the government just is an instrument of the higher classes?

That has already been shown - and pointed out. Or were you unable to restrain yourself nor read the very last sentence in the paragraph that you quoted.

[nokhor]

what if the people are realistically unable to revolt successfully, say like when czechs began to break away from communism in 1956? and the soviets sent the tanks in? they didn't ask for the gov't, it was imposed by an outside power, and they can't get away from it.

so i think there are some instances where the gov't may assume powers that are not granted by society, and there are instances where the gov't may not be created by society.

[Redleg]

what if the people are realistically unable to revolt successfully, say like when czechs began to break away from communism in 1956? and the soviets sent the tanks in? they didn't ask for the gov't, it was imposed by an outside power, and they can't get away from it.

Never stated that the revolt would be successful - only that the people would revolt. After re-reading the paragraph I can see where one might assume that the revolt will always be successful - but history shows us several revolts that have not been.

so i think there are some instances where the gov't may assume powers that are not granted by society, and there are instances where the gov't may not be created by society.

Thomas Paine addressed this very issue - and it quoted from the Rights of Man in my first post. But here is the revelant sentence again. Its covered also in his Common Sense Pamplet. In this pamplet he criticizes the form of government that was England in the late 1700.

All delegated power is trust, and all assumed power is usurpation.

[Soulforged]

That has already been shown - and pointed out. Or were you unable to restrain yourself nor read the very last sentence in the paragraph that you quoted.

Well again you answered when I didn't want an answer. Maybe I should clearify when it's rethoric. I just wanted to point out that communism will happen following that logic, the same goes to anarchism.

[Redleg]

Well again you answered when I didn't want an answer. Maybe I should clearify when it's rethoric. I just wanted to point out that communism will happen following that logic, the same goes to anarchism.

Or it could be neither which is what happened in many revolutions were democracy was installed - or despotism was re-installed, or etc.. etc..

Clarifying it was rethoric would not have prevented my response - especially given the nature of how you stated it. You got the answer I felt your comment deserved.