Muslim Cavalry

[Zarax]

I think "heavy" for desert fighters is relative. But they could definitely use some truly heavy cavalry for when they step into Europe. I'll leave it people like EYG to suggest stats though

I agree with you, they weren't really heavyin terms of armor, but why did they give them such poor weapon skills?
I'm not going to put any more armor if I mod that, but at least dd some punch to them... Afer all at least the turkish came from the steppes, and it's unlikely that they forgot how to fight on the saddle...

[crpcarrot]

i'm not into stat crunching but SoP seem to do quite ok against cristian heavy cav. just my obsavations maybe other factors involved. still i dont think muslim factions ever adopted the heavy cavalry charge tactic in their warfare.

[Zarax]

SotP are a 20men unit IRC, so it's hard to use them as comparation...

The problem is that muslims had quite effective medium cavalry, that while not really armoured, compensated with martial skills while in game they can barely match mounted sergeants, that are light cavalry by definition...

[bretwalda]

Ottoman Spahis are not Spahis of the Porte (SoP). The former is a fast light cavalry but there is not much use for them: I 'd use valored up Turcoman Horse because they can shoot and that makes up for the weaknesses.

SoP on the other hand is a royal cavalry nice stats and the only heavy cav that can shoot apart from boyars...

[Mithrandir]

Because the muslim don't need cav to counter cav, they got camels for that job.

:).

[Zarax]

You now that camels aren't that great against anything better than FK...

[lugh]

val0 in a frontal charge maybe, but just watch you're CK and Lancers get chewed up by val3-4 camelry. It's scary as hell and the reason I only let Lancers play in the sand if there are no camels.
Part of the problem is that the AI is pretty stupid, even on Hard and Expert. We've all used a single cav unit to rout entire armies by rear charging a key AI unit but how many times has the AI pulled that off against you?