What to do with child molesters?

[yesdachi]

You can remove him from society if you want with life in prison.

Being in prison is not being removed from society.

[Soulforged]

Being in prison is not being removed from society.

yes it's. They're called "cilvil deads". Trully.

If the only means of effectively removing such a criminal from society is death, it should at the least be quick and as painless as possible. We do put down mad dogs, but we don't drag them behind a pickup truck for 6 miles to accomplish it.

A) My post was not aimed with sarcasm. b) It was not aimed at you, but in general. c) I was against your last point (the one quoted). D) The dogma in law, and law itself, provide general appliable laws (norms, principles, models) that must be abstract. The judge can move within those lines. The legislation cannot leave to the arbitrarianess of the judge the decision over the kind or intensity of the punishment.

I believe my rights cease when they harm the life, liberty or property of others.

I too.

In the case of violent crime, I believe society has the reluctant duty to incarcerate the malefactor so as to protect society as a whole.

I too, though I differ in the way that society intercedes.

Graduated sentencing and an often haphazard parole system may not be accomplishing that goal.

I believe that too, but as a general rule. In concret cases if there's no need for more reprehenssion then the subject can and must be freed (if I understood the meaning of parole). However in the somewhat inverse case (reincidence) I totally disagree, the state must limit itself to judge actions and not persons, wich this rule does.

I have little sympathy whatsoever for recidivists, and I am annoyed that my country's judicial system allows for too much of it.

I don't understand the word "recidivist" (it would help me if you explain it to me ).

[sharrukin]

I don't understand the word "recidivist" (it would help me if you explain it to me ).

It means a criminal who is a repeat offender. Usually in the case of child molestors it is half a dozen child victims or more before the state actually does something.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

... However in the somewhat inverse case (reincidence) I totally disagree, the state must limit itself to judge actions and not persons, wich this rule does. I don't understand the word "recidivist" (it would help me if you explain it to me ).

A recidivist is a repeat offender, a person for whom criminal acts may well have become a modus vivendi. I believe you are addressing the same thing when you say "reincidence" (American English would use the word recurrence or re-occurrence).

You seem to be advancing the position that each action be judged and dealt with on an individual basis, and that a person with a history of similar actions be treated no differently than a person for whom a criminal action is an anomaly. While valid on a philosophical level, I do not believe that this would be practical. In my country, most crime is the work of people who pursue criminal activity as a career. Such individuals are a threat to social order and should be removed from society more or less permanently (rehabilitation is possible, though infrequent) as soon as their willingness to become a careerist criminal is demonstrated.

Seamus

[yesdachi]

Originally Posted by yesdachi
"Being in prison is not being removed from society."

yes it's. They're called "cilvil deads". Trully.

A society is a sum of its parts. Prisons and the prisoners in them are a part of the sum. Being given a title doesn’t remove them from society and neither does hiding them away. They are a financial burden and force a negative influence on the people.

Here’s an exert from a report I found on $ spent in my state, other states (like CA) are way higher…

Michigan’s Department of Corrections will spend more than $1.7 billion from the state’s general fund this year, consuming more than 20 percent of the state’s general fund revenues. The state’s prison population, now around 49,000 inmates, has risen by more than 40 percent since the early 1990s. The MDOC requires nearly 19,000 employees, and according to the state Senate Fiscal Agency, it costs approximately $28,000 each year to imprison an inmate in Michigan.

How can something that takes 20% of my tax money, and has 49,000 people in it not be a part of my society? And this is only the money factor and not the harder to quantify “influence” factor that these monsters force on society with just their presence.

Criminals in prison may be removed from the mainstream but are still very much a part of society.

20% of my tax money!!! GAH!!!

PS. If you try and counter with “it costs more to sentence the death penalty than life in prison” I can refute that nonsense.

[Templar Knight]

As with any sex offender lock them up and don't let them out. The re-offending rates are shockingly high.

[Meneldil]

I just watched a tv documentary about recidivist rapers, and apparently both physical castration and chemical castration aren't fully effective.

The guy may still buy testosterone pills (?) and rape another woman/child.

[scooter_the_shooter]

Then why dont we just shoot them?

[Templar Knight]

waste of bullets, water is free