Being in prison is not being removed from society.Originally Posted by Soulforged
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Being in prison is not being removed from society.Originally Posted by Soulforged
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Peace in Europe will never stay, because I play Medieval II Total War every day. ~YesDachi
yes it's. They're called "cilvil deads". Trully.Originally Posted by yesdachi
A) My post was not aimed with sarcasm. b) It was not aimed at you, but in general. c) I was against your last point (the one quoted). D) The dogma in law, and law itself, provide general appliable laws (norms, principles, models) that must be abstract. The judge can move within those lines. The legislation cannot leave to the arbitrarianess of the judge the decision over the kind or intensity of the punishment.Originally Posted by Seamus
I too.I believe my rights cease when they harm the life, liberty or property of others.I too, though I differ in the way that society intercedes.In the case of violent crime, I believe society has the reluctant duty to incarcerate the malefactor so as to protect society as a whole.I believe that too, but as a general rule. In concret cases if there's no need for more reprehenssion then the subject can and must be freed (if I understood the meaning of parole). However in the somewhat inverse case (reincidence) I totally disagree, the state must limit itself to judge actions and not persons, wich this rule does.Graduated sentencing and an often haphazard parole system may not be accomplishing that goal.I don't understand the word "recidivist" (it would help me if you explain it to meI have little sympathy whatsoever for recidivists, and I am annoyed that my country's judicial system allows for too much of it.).
Last edited by Soulforged; 09-29-2005 at 03:13.
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It means a criminal who is a repeat offender. Usually in the case of child molestors it is half a dozen child victims or more before the state actually does something.Originally Posted by Soulforged
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
-- John Stewart Mills
But from the absolute will of an entire people there is no appeal, no redemption, no refuge but treason.
LORD ACTON
A recidivist is a repeat offender, a person for whom criminal acts may well have become a modus vivendi. I believe you are addressing the same thing when you say "reincidence" (American English would use the word recurrence or re-occurrence).Originally Posted by Soulforged
You seem to be advancing the position that each action be judged and dealt with on an individual basis, and that a person with a history of similar actions be treated no differently than a person for whom a criminal action is an anomaly. While valid on a philosophical level, I do not believe that this would be practical. In my country, most crime is the work of people who pursue criminal activity as a career. Such individuals are a threat to social order and should be removed from society more or less permanently (rehabilitation is possible, though infrequent) as soon as their willingness to become a careerist criminal is demonstrated.
Seamus
"The only way that has ever been discovered to have a lot of people cooperate together voluntarily is through the free market. And that's why it's so essential to preserving individual freedom.” -- Milton Friedman
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." -- H. L. Mencken
Originally Posted by yesdachi
"Being in prison is not being removed from society."
A society is a sum of its parts. Prisons and the prisoners in them are a part of the sum. Being given a title doesn’t remove them from society and neither does hiding them away. They are a financial burden and force a negative influence on the people.Originally Posted by Soulforged
Here’s an exert from a report I found on $ spent in my state, other states (like CA) are way higher…
Michigan’s Department of Corrections will spend more than $1.7 billion from the state’s general fund this year, consuming more than 20 percent of the state’s general fund revenues. The state’s prison population, now around 49,000 inmates, has risen by more than 40 percent since the early 1990s. The MDOC requires nearly 19,000 employees, and according to the state Senate Fiscal Agency, it costs approximately $28,000 each year to imprison an inmate in Michigan.
How can something that takes 20% of my tax money, and has 49,000 people in it not be a part of my society?And this is only the money factor and not the harder to quantify “influence” factor that these monsters force on society with just their presence.
Criminals in prison may be removed from the mainstream but are still very much a part of society.![]()
20% of my tax money!!! GAH!!!
PS. If you try and counter with “it costs more to sentence the death penalty than life in prison” I can refute that nonsense.
Peace in Europe will never stay, because I play Medieval II Total War every day. ~YesDachi
As with any sex offender lock them up and don't let them out. The re-offending rates are shockingly high.
Then why dont we just shoot them?
Formerly ceasar010
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