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"Suspects arrested or detained by federal authorities could be forced to provide samples of their DNA that would be recorded in a central database under a provision of a Senate bill to expand government collection of personal data. The controversial measure was approved by the Senate Judiciary Committee last week and is supported by the White House, but has not gone to the floor for a vote. It goes beyond current law, which allows federal authorities to collect and record samples of DNA only from those convicted of crimes."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...092301665.html
pros? cons?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...092301665.html
pros? cons?
Originally Posted by solypsist:
"Suspects arrested or detained by federal authorities could be forced to provide samples of their DNA that would be recorded in a central database under a provision of a Senate bill to expand government collection of personal data. The controversial measure was approved by the Senate Judiciary Committee last week and is supported by the White House, but has not gone to the floor for a vote. It goes beyond current law, which allows federal authorities to collect and record samples of DNA only from those convicted of crimes."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...092301665.html
pros? cons?
I don't know why everybody gets so upset about things like this. If you're not a terrorist or a criminal you have nothing to fear from der Fuhrer's... oops... I mean Bush's new internal security agenda."Suspects arrested or detained by federal authorities could be forced to provide samples of their DNA that would be recorded in a central database under a provision of a Senate bill to expand government collection of personal data. The controversial measure was approved by the Senate Judiciary Committee last week and is supported by the White House, but has not gone to the floor for a vote. It goes beyond current law, which allows federal authorities to collect and record samples of DNA only from those convicted of crimes."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...092301665.html
pros? cons?
I think this is a terrible abuse of privacy, and it's not even just those arrested/detained. The hospital wants my wife & I to sign a waver allowing them to retain DNA samples of our baby when she's born (by the way, while you were gone, I knocked up my wife ). I blew a gasket. They also sent a detailed questionaire on our eating habits, education, racial makeup, the whole 9 yards... The reason? So they could author the birth certificate.... color me skeptical, but it sounds like a research study to me.
). I blew a gasket. They also sent a detailed questionaire on our eating habits, education, racial makeup, the whole 9 yards... The reason? So they could author the birth certificate.... color me skeptical, but it sounds like a research study to me.Bigbrother is watching.Im afraid that one day we will live in a society where everyones movements can be observed 24 hours a day.There goes privaty. 
i thought this place was already called Britain?
Originally Posted by kagemusha:
Bigbrother is watching.Im afraid that one day we will live in a society where everyones movements can be observed 24 hours a day.There goes privaty.
Bigbrother is watching.Im afraid that one day we will live in a society where everyones movements can be observed 24 hours a day.There goes privaty.
Originally Posted by solypsist:
i thought this place was already called Britain?
Yes.I think you are right about Britain,but almost same goes also in every other European metropol.But about DNA samples arent they coming to passports aswell.So if one likes to travel a lot,the person also has to give an sample of his DNA to the government.It shouldnt be so hard to create an data bank from those samples.Infact it should be necessary,because without a databank there is no sense to put those samples on passports. i thought this place was already called Britain?
Whoa.
It appears there is *GASP!* agreement amoung us all!
I think this is a terrible idea. I'm sick of people saying "If you're good, you have nothing to fear." It should be, "They should know nothing unless I am a criminal."
Any Brits (no offense intended, its just that Britian is slowly turning into big brother) who believe this is good?
Crazed Rabbit
It appears there is *GASP!* agreement amoung us all!
I think this is a terrible idea. I'm sick of people saying "If you're good, you have nothing to fear." It should be, "They should know nothing unless I am a criminal."
Any Brits (no offense intended, its just that Britian is slowly turning into big brother) who believe this is good?
Crazed Rabbit
The continuing invasion of privacy by the government has got to stop. The initiative I find the most disturbing is the fingerprinting of children, supposedly to help police find them if they are abducted. Do they destroy these records when the children become 18? I don't think so. If I am ever convicted of a crime, they can take my fingerprints, DNA, retinal scan, and a stool sample for all I care, but until then they don't need anything from me but my taxes. Have the police gotten lazy, do they need everybody's biometrics to solve crimes these days?
And it's not just the government. Stores ask for phone numbers or zip codes when making purchases. Website registration required even when there is no charge. All of this information gathered, with no control over access. This is why I own a shredder, and have bogus phone numbers, email, birth dates, and addresses I can give out to people with no real reason to know. I also own Alcoa stock, so I can recoup the cost of my tin foil hats.
And it's not just the government. Stores ask for phone numbers or zip codes when making purchases. Website registration required even when there is no charge. All of this information gathered, with no control over access. This is why I own a shredder, and have bogus phone numbers, email, birth dates, and addresses I can give out to people with no real reason to know. I also own Alcoa stock, so I can recoup the cost of my tin foil hats.
Originally Posted by Don Corleone:
They also sent a detailed questionaire on our eating habits, education, racial makeup, the whole 9 yards... The reason?
They sell your information to statistic companies. The same way grocery stores with a discount card that they scan when you make purchases, sells your information to statistic companies. My understanding is that it is a lucrative business and pays the providers of the information well (in the case of grocery stores the $ received for the info far outweighs the % off the products they offer. Stores usually only do it for a few years and stop, because by that time the stat co. has gotten all they want and wont pay as much anymore). They also sent a detailed questionaire on our eating habits, education, racial makeup, the whole 9 yards... The reason?
On the topic… I don’t have much of a problem with it. Seems like a reasonable next step to fingerprinting. Plus “big brother” already knows what I buy at the store (see above) he might as well have my DNA too
.I don't see an issue with it. There's nothing at all that anyone can do with detailed information on the everyday lives on 60 million people. I doubt there is even any way to record it properly now, let alone even attempt to gain much useful from it.
Don't see anything wrong with CCTV either.
Don't see anything wrong with CCTV either.
There is nothing to be afraid of. We... errr they are not watching you and you no right to priva..errr paranoia. Shut up and take the pills we sent you before we unleash our horde MIGHTY LAWYERS!
Maybe the .org should get in on this. First we should rename it to "The .borg". Instead of moderators, we should have enforcers. Tosa will have acess to control panel that gives him complete control of your computer. it will be able to remove programs, add spyware, and give the .borg patrons painful electric shocks.
The next phase will be to remove limbs and organs rather then take avatars/sigs when you get warnings(which will be replaced by the electric shocks).
All bow down to Total assimilation.borg!
Maybe the .org should get in on this. First we should rename it to "The .borg". Instead of moderators, we should have enforcers. Tosa will have acess to control panel that gives him complete control of your computer. it will be able to remove programs, add spyware, and give the .borg patrons painful electric shocks.
The next phase will be to remove limbs and organs rather then take avatars/sigs when you get warnings(which will be replaced by the electric shocks).
All bow down to Total assimilation.borg!
Get over it unless you're willing to do something about it.
The government has so much information on everyone, it really doesnt matter anymore.
All one can do is be a stand-up citizen and vote for politicians who believe in a fair judicial system.
The government has so much information on everyone, it really doesnt matter anymore.
All one can do is be a stand-up citizen and vote for politicians who believe in a fair judicial system.
Originally Posted by solypsist:
"Suspects arrested or detained by federal authorities could be forced to provide samples of their DNA that would be recorded in a central database under a provision of a Senate bill to expand government collection of personal data. The controversial measure was approved by the Senate Judiciary Committee last week and is supported by the White House, but has not gone to the floor for a vote. It goes beyond current law, which allows federal authorities to collect and record samples of DNA only from those convicted of crimes."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...092301665.html
pros? cons?
who dude...one cool avatar "Suspects arrested or detained by federal authorities could be forced to provide samples of their DNA that would be recorded in a central database under a provision of a Senate bill to expand government collection of personal data. The controversial measure was approved by the Senate Judiciary Committee last week and is supported by the White House, but has not gone to the floor for a vote. It goes beyond current law, which allows federal authorities to collect and record samples of DNA only from those convicted of crimes."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...092301665.html
pros? cons?
But what do you guys think about the fact that the bio trace will be on passports in next ten years?After that the bio traces collected from criminals will be just a marginal.
This kind of stuff always sounds creepy to me. There's no decent way of knowing what these samples will be used for, and there's always the risk of such DNA profiles being used by third parties. If I'm convicted of a crime a government's got the right to record my profile, since it's then a matter of public safety; until that happens they should mind their own business.
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