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[Grey_Fox]

That would have been the right thing to do Corleone after exhausting all legal courses of action in this country, not this stupid sensationalist act.

In case you don't know the Rossport Five have been released after an appeal to the High Courts.

[Don Corleone]

You misunderstand me, Grey Fox. SHELL should be taking the ROI to the EU courts, for failure to deliver. These farmers never should have been evicted. As the property is rightfully theirs, they have every right to resist construction projects begun by a 3rd party to whom they have not given permission. Shell should thank it's lucky stars none of their construction workers got hurt.

Let me put it in plain English... the farmers have every right to do whatever they need to to block any unauthorized use of their land (assuming they actually OWN the land and aren't tenant farmers to the government that is). Just because a bunch of charlatans at the Dail (sp?) told Shell they could have the land, doesn't mean Shell has the right to just go in and start building. As for this judge, it sounds like he should be removed from the bench.

[Grey_Fox]

Let me put it in plain English... the farmers have every right to do whatever they need to to block any unauthorized use of their land (assuming they actually OWN the land and aren't tenant farmers to the government that is). Just because a bunch of charlatans at the Dail (sp?) told Shell they could have the land, doesn't mean Shell has the right to just go in and start building. As for this judge, it sounds like he should be removed from the bench.

I think it's not actually on their land, just near to it.

The Courts are seperate from the government in this country, you can overturn the Government's decision in the Supreme Court. EU Supreme Court is higher still and should be used as a last resort.

We're not a bunch of dictators over here you know...

[Don Corleone]

Our courts can, and frequently DO tell the rest of the government what to do over here as well.

Now you have raised an interesting wrinkle. If the pipeline is going in on land 'adjacent' to theirs, tough luck. All I'm saying is that if the government reserves the right to come in and grant right of way priveleges to a 3rd party for economic gain of the 3rd party, the whole concept of private property means nothing.

Make no mistake about it, when the government resorts to this sort of thing, they're nationalizing resources, right up there with the most corrupt banana republics out there. This case actually isn't all that different than the landmark case here in the US, when SCOTUS announced your proprety rights are null and void, and your property is really available, at whim to your local government.

[Tribesman]

[B][In case you don't know the Rossport Five have been released after an appeal to the High Courts./B]
Temporarily released after Shell withdrew its injunction against them .
They still have to return to court in a month on the charges of contempt .

That would have been the right thing to do Corleone after exhausting all legal courses of action in this country, not this stupid sensationalist act.

That of course ignores the fact that such action would take a long time and a hell of a lot of money , and also that Shell was continuing the work despite court actions and government orders to stop and dismantle work already completed . If they refused to obey the laws of the land now then what makes you think that they would obey the laws of the land over some future descision that would be reached about 10 years after they had finished the work .
This "stupid sensationalist act" as you put it has partially worked . It has bought the campaign all the attention and support it needed and has made Shell agree to mediation and possible compromise .

We're not a bunch of dictators over here you know...
Thats funny , did you hear Bertie on the news tonight talking about the tunnel
I wonder if his threats apply to all the trucks that An Post bought

Every government has less than reputable members, Sinn Féin on the other hand are part of a terrorist organisation that flagrantly breaks the laws of two nations on a regular and frequent basis and has condoned the murder of over 3000 people.
Really , I didn't realise SinnFein/IRA were behind all of the 3000 deaths during the troubles , I wonder what the other factions and security services were doing during this time .
While we are on the subject , now that Sinn Fein have thrown away the guns should they not have exactly the same status as the two other main parties who used to be terrorists ?
Then again the old IRA never threw away their guns like the Provisionals have .

[Grey_Fox]

Really , I didn't realise SinnFein/IRA were behind all of the 3000 deaths during the troubles , I wonder what the other factions and security services were doing during this time .

Very well then, perhaps I'll say several hundred people were murdered directly by the IRA. That make it better?

While we are on the subject , now that Sinn Fein have thrown away the guns should they not have exactly the same status as the two other main parties who used to be terrorists ?
Then again the old IRA never threw away their guns like the Provisionals have

Do you recall what happened when the LDF disarmed? They bought more weapons from Croatia to replace them. I think I'll wait for the decomissioning bodies to report before praising them.

[Tribesman]

Very well then, perhaps I'll say several hundred people were murdered directly by the IRA. That make it better?
Unfortunately nothing makes it any better , more accurate maybe , yet another tragic episode in the history of this little island .
The only hope is to move forward .
Though I still see the same old faces trying to stop any progress .