I saw something on CNN (I think) yesterday and the story was talking about how recurtiers were starting to make calls to 15 and 16 year olds now Im fine with this as long as there parents are fully informed but what are your thoughts?
I saw something on CNN (I think) yesterday and the story was talking about how recurtiers were starting to make calls to 15 and 16 year olds now Im fine with this as long as there parents are fully informed but what are your thoughts?
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No, people under 18 should not be allowed in the army under any circumstances.
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I recieved a call from a recruiter when I was 16 and that would have been back in the early '80s. You have to be 17 to enlist and that requires a parental consent waiver.
So no I dont have a problem with it all.
But I might be a bit biased, US Army Infantry 87-90.
So you can legally join the army but not drink alcoholic beverages? Wacky.
I don't think underage recruiting should be allowed, simply because people at that age can be influenced far too easily and also aren't yet old enough to make informed decisions. Why would you need recruits that young, anyway?
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You can join at 16 here. Beats hanging around doing nothing if that's what you really want to do I guess. Can't go to war proper until you're 18 though.
The British Army got into trouble in Bosnia or somewhere because they were using 17 year olds as peacekeepers. Turns out the UN doesn't like child soldiers.
They prefer a more defenseless prey.Originally Posted by BDC
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If you ask me, we in modern western society have become way too hung up on dictating to people what they can and cannot do based on their age.
For instance we say you can't drink till you're 21 and you can't bang anyone under 18 and stuff like that, when common sense and history clearly tell us that boys under 18 would make fine junior soldiers and that 15 and 16-year-old girls are perfectly capable of being wives.
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These calls, do you know if the kids in question had requested information regarding military service, or if it was more or less random?Originally Posted by strike for the south
Personally, I don’t appreciate the thought of kids being indoctrinated into an organization where killing other people is the ultimate terminus.
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So out with the police also then?Personally, I don’t appreciate the thought of kids being indoctrinated into an organization where killing other people[ is the ultimate terminus.
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Depends on the police, I guess. I must however add that in my experience, military and police are oppressors, not protectors.Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
But I do assume that in America, the ultimate goal of the police isn’t killing people. So I am less inclined to condemn youth recruiting efforts from the police, as opposed to the military.
"The ink of the scholar is more holy than the blood of the martyr."
“I only defended myself and the honor of my family” - Nazanin
Protectors here. Definately.Originally Posted by Dâriûsh
Unless you are doing something illegal/a teenager driving a car.
If you had seem them beat a guy half to death for being a fortune teller, you wouldn’t be laughing.Originally Posted by Divinus Arma
"The ink of the scholar is more holy than the blood of the martyr."
“I only defended myself and the honor of my family” - Nazanin
Friendly.Originally Posted by Divinus Arma
"The facts of history cannot be purely objective, since they become facts of history only in virtue of the significance attached to them by the historian." E.H. Carr
calling kids and asking if they'd like to join the miliary when they grow up is not illegal.
The military should be the state, and the state the military. Of course they do.
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Must be some sort of screwed up Police in your neck of the woods. Killing people isn't the goal of law enforcement anywhere else in the U.S.Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
Rome Total War, it's not a game, it's a do-it-yourself project.
No. I'm sick and tired of the military trying to make it seem cool with all of their damn comericials, trying to drag in folks my age.
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If you should stand then who's to guide you?
If I knew the way I would take you home."
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Originally Posted by Steppe Merc
The United States Military no longer uses Press Gangs to drag people into the military. Your stuck in the wrong time period.
LOL
O well, seems like 'some' people decide to ruin a perfectly valid threat. Nice going guys... doc bean
To me, the commericials all seem to make it cool. Theirs a guy going all around the world, they apeal to people that can't afford college, they try and the vibe I get is that their trying to make it seem cool. Not about protecting your family, but that it's cool.Originally Posted by Redleg
I get quite disgusted and angry when I see them in my school, giving tee shirts. They are trying to get my friends, people I care about, killed.
But the run of the mill 18 year old is not armed with a big gun, and allowed to kill people.Hey if they want recruitment up, they can always have a military drinking age exemption! After all, these guys are far more disciplined on average then the run-of-the-mill 18 yr old.
"But if you should fall you fall alone,
If you should stand then who's to guide you?
If I knew the way I would take you home."
Grateful Dead, "Ripple"
Again stuck in the wrong time period - you should wrap yourself back to 1970-1973.Originally Posted by Steppe Merc
The recuriter is not out trying to get your friends killed - that is such a load of emotional appeal garbage that its really only something to ridicule not have a logical discussion about.
So let the ridicule begin.
So are you attempting to say by default that all of us who served in the military are out to get ourselves killed because we are or were suicidial. Or lets really spin it a tad and say this - are you trying to say that only those who want to kill other human beings join the military because we are all sick little bastards who have nothing better to do with our lives.
Yes indeed to join the military does require a few qualifications that some just don't have.But the run of the mill 18 year old is not armed with a big gun, and allowed to kill people.
O well, seems like 'some' people decide to ruin a perfectly valid threat. Nice going guys... doc bean
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