What do YOU think the 2nd amendment means?

**Kaiser of Arabia** · 09-29-2005, 03:09

Originally Posted by _Martyr_

Funny you should mention the GC. How many times has America redefined (thats putting is very nicely... some would say its outright in breach of it) the GC in the last few years? Its pretty obvious your leaders are paying little to no attention to it in relation to the so called War on Terror. Moving the goalposts?

Thats absolutely ridiculous! First off, America has never had a proper "Welfare State". Secondly, if you look at any proper "Welfare States", you will NOT find the problems America has. Look at Scandinavia, its rather eutopian...

Slow down folks... I can only type so fast, its nearly 3 AM here.

Good jokes, you make me laugh.

**_Martyr_** · 09-29-2005, 03:09

Explain...

**Kaiser of Arabia** · 09-29-2005, 03:12

Originally Posted by _Martyr_

Explain...

Your statements on the welfare state were humorous, to say the least. Incorrect, but humorous nontheless. Twas a form of sarcasm.

**_Martyr_** · 09-29-2005, 03:16

Thanks...

Believe it or not, your sarcasm was actually well understood. Explain how I am wrong about the US not having a proper welfare state and proper welfare states not having the same problems the US does.

**Kaiser of Arabia** · 09-29-2005, 03:23

Originally Posted by _Martyr_

Thanks...

Believe it or not, your sarcasm was actually well understood. Explain how I am wrong about the US not having a proper welfare state and proper welfare states not having the same problems the US does.

The United Welfare State known as America has a system that encourages laziness and lack of work effort. In America, the Government will support you and this will steal from the taxpayer's wallet. With unemployment subsidies and the corrupt system known as Social Security, there is no way out for you average American. You're getting screwed, one way or the other. And most of this money that goes into your taxes to help support infrastructure and such, we shall never see. Rather, it goes into the hands of Drug Dealers and Prostitutes.

Other "welfare states" have either A) An economeny that can support such a state and not screw over a taxpayer, (more likely) B) the lack of a guilt cutlure imposed on the majority of the population by the minorities, or C) Lack of a large group of people who will not work for a living, nor pay taxes. Rather, they have struck a balence with the sytem, that works for them.

The System does not work for us.

**_Martyr_** · 09-29-2005, 03:42

A Welfare State is defined on a number of categories. They are the government providing primary responsibility in health, public housing, social security, employment and education. America has MINIMAL government involvement in primary healthcare, public housing and employment and the other categories are pretty lacking at best, thus making it not a proper Welfare State, especially when compared to real Welfare States such as Britain (less and less), France, Germany and all the Scandinavian countries.

Other "welfare states" have either A) An economeny that can support such a state and not screw over a taxpayer, (more likely) B) the lack of a guilt cutlure imposed on the majority of the population by the minorities, or C) Lack of a large group of people who will not work for a living, nor pay taxes. Rather, they have struck a balence with the sytem, that works for them.

Rubbish! Are you telling me Germany has no guilt complex??? So what you are alluding to is that your opinion is not that a socialist approach is wrong, but that it is wrong in the instance (or application) of America because of particularities in her economy? What exactly in America's economy makes her incompatible with socialism? All countries have unemplyment. Especially Germany right now, up to 25% in some of the Bundeslaender.

**_Martyr_** · 09-29-2005, 03:46

All armaments and systems short of missiles (as opposed to short range rockets) and nukes.

Right, Im off to bed now, its nealy 4AM here... but thats crazy! You really dont have a problem with private citizens owning tanks, machine guns, hand grenades, mortars, MOABS, B52s and flame throwers to mention just a few?

**Kaiser of Arabia** · 09-29-2005, 03:50

Originally Posted by _Martyr_

A Welfare State is defined on a number of categories. They are the government providing primary responsibility in health, public housing, social security, employment and education. America has MINIMAL government involvement in primary healthcare, public housing and employment and the other categories are pretty lacking at best, thus making it not a proper Welfare State, especially when compared to real Welfare States such as Britain (less and less), France, Germany and all the Scandinavian countries.

Rubbish! Are you telling me Germany has no guilt complex??? So what you are alluding to is that your opinion is not that a socialist approach is wrong, but that it is wrong in the instance (or application) of America because of particularities in her economy? What exactly in America's economy makes her incompatible with socialism? All countries have unemplyment. Especially Germany right now, up to 25% in some of the Bundeslaender.

Germany's in an economic pinch right now, as far as I'm told. Socialism is failing there.