We'll take it from here...

[Don Corleone]

Talk about Intellectual Property theft... Apparently, the EU was serious about getting into a war with the US. Your latest trick is demand that the United States turn over control of Internet master directories, even though it was our money and ingenuity that built the thing in the first place. With all due respect, who the hell do you guys think you are? I understand the arguments that you simply want to 'distribute addresses freely and fairly to all' and all that, but there are other ways of accomplishing that. If you folks really think the US is just going to turn over control of all the Internet master directories (at least with a Republican in the White House) you're off your rockers.
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/09/30/D8CUKA481.html

[Crazed Rabbit]

Uh-oh! The EU is 'very firm' on this issue. Even more firm than on the Iran getting nukes issue? I'm quakin' in my boots.

Or at least I would be, if I weren't so mad the johnny-come-latelys now want a piece of the bread they had nothing to do with baking. Guess what? You may have socialist countries, but we aren't, so we aren't gonna share!
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Crazed Rabbit

[Marcellus]

Or at least I would be, if I weren't so mad the johnny-come-latelys now want a piece of the bread they had nothing to do with baking.

You do realise that the world wide web was created by Tim Berners-Lee, who is British, at CERN, in Switzerland (which is, of course, in Europe [not EU].

The internet is a world wide resource. I have not seen a single convincing argument for one country controlling such an important resource.

[Louis VI the Fat]

You do realise that the world wide web was created by Tim Berners-Lee, who is British, at CERN, in Switzerland (which is, of course, in Europe [not EU].

No way. Everybody knows Al Gore invented the internet.

Are you saying we wrested control of Antartica from the EU?

No. Just that the nations that opened up Antarctica for the world have 'frozen' (pun intended) their claims on it by international treaty.

[Ianofsmeg16]

Don, first i agree with you, and it's not all countries in europe that belong to the EU.

[Kaiser of Arabia]

I don't feel like losing my freespeech online, thank you.

[Geoffrey S]

I don't feel like losing my freespeech online, thank you.

How would that happen? It's not like freedom of speech has been lost to non-Americans on the net.

Anyway, can't see any harm in the current situation, far as I can tell it works fine. A change of ownership hardly seem necessary.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Talk about Intellectual Property theft... Apparently, the EU was serious about getting into a war with the US. Your latest trick is demand that the United States turn over control of Internet master directories, even though it was our money and ingenuity that built the thing in the first place. With all due respect, who the hell do you guys think you are? I understand the arguments that you simply want to 'distribute addresses freely and fairly to all' and all that, but there are other ways of accomplishing that. If you folks really think the US is just going to turn over control of all the Internet master directories (at least with a Republican in the White House) you're off your rockers.
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/09/30/D8CUKA481.html

Speaking of property theft...
Apparently, the US was serious about getting into a war with the EU. One of America's tricks is demanding that the European powers give up their claim on Antartica, even though it was our money and ingenuity that discovered the thing in the first place. With all due respect, who the hell do you guys think you are? I understand the arguments that you simply want to ensure that 'Antarctica shall continue for ever to be used exclusively for peaceful purposes and shall not become the scene or object of international discord' and all that, but there are other ways of accomplishing that. If you folks really think Europe is just going to turn over control of all of Antarctica by Treaty to limit it's use to the advancement of science for the benefit of the whole of humanity, then...you're right. We have done just that.

[Proletariat]

Are you saying we wrested control of Antartica from the EU? I don't see how the two are apples to apples. Then again, don't know much about Antartica's history other than the quick skim of the wikipedia entry for it I just took.

[Byzantine Prince]

Let the baby have it's bottle.


PS: I like how you refer to europeans as folks. LOL!

[Red Harvest]

Are you saying we wrested control of Antartica from the EU? I don't see how the two are apples to apples. Then again, don't know much about Antartica's history other than the quick skim of the wikipedia entry for it I just took.

Everybody knows that Antartica is actually ruled by short, overweight men in tuxedos...oh...wait a minute. Those are penguins. Never mind. I guess the anti-terror alliance against sea lions will be moved to the back burner now that this is out in the open. Hmmm...we really could use a penguin smiley about now.

[Proletariat]

...we really could use a penguin smiley about now.

(No dice, huh?)

[Soulforged]

Speaking of property theft...
Apparently, the US was serious about getting into a war with the EU. One of America's tricks is demanding that the European powers give up their claim on Antartica, even though it was our money and ingenuity that discovered the thing in the first place.

And ours.

[bmolsson]

I believe there will be an alternative Internet in the future. The current development with more and more governmental control will create more and more private networks to keep all those paranoid agents out of our lives......

[Soulforged]

Oh please I hope not. I like the NET being one of the few unregulated places of the world. If we involve government and private property in his spaces and domains, and we control the info I think I'll puke.

[Steppe Merc]

I thought some Swiss guys made the internet...

You do realise that the world wide web was created by Tim Berners-Lee, who is British, at CERN, in Switzerland (which is, of course, in Europe [not EU].

Well, I was close.

[Uesugi Kenshin]

T'was made by DARPA just in case you guys aren't joking and referring to Demons And Angels. It was first called ARPANET I believe and was made to link US military systems, that makes it a decidedly American invention.


EDIT: I thought it was first called DARPANET, checked a wiki article and it said ARPANET, I've heard that as well, since my memory is fallible I'm changed it to ARPANET.

[Divinus Arma]

I think the title of this thread should be renamed since it is actually a very good topic.


I have a suggestion for the EU:






Make your own.

[Ironside]

T'was made by DARPA just in case you guys aren't joking and referring to Demons And Angels. It was first called ARPANET I believe and was made to link US military systems, that makes it a decidedly American invention.


EDIT: I thought it was first called DARPANET, checked a wiki article and it said ARPANET, I've heard that as well, since my memory is fallible I'm changed it to ARPANET.

The www was created at CERN. The creation of what later become the internet is American.

[rasoforos]

The www was created at CERN. The creation of what later become the interent is American.

Amen!



Now on the main subject, I do believe that the Internet and the WWW should be under International Control. If the US wants to keep control over the net it is fine by me, maybe all firms who have suffered damaged from an internet related attack can press charges and claim their losses from Uncle Sam

[Del Arroyo]

What makes you think that a UN body would run the internet responsibly? Having it under US control might not be fair, but it may be the best option for everybody involved.

DA

[Marcellus]

T'was made by DARPA just in case you guys aren't joking and referring to Demons And Angels. It was first called ARPANET I believe and was made to link US military systems, that makes it a decidedly American invention.


EDIT: I thought it was first called DARPANET, checked a wiki article and it said ARPANET, I've heard that as well, since my memory is fallible I'm changed it to ARPANET.

The internet was created in America, and the worldwideweb, http etc. was created in Europe. Both groups helped the creation of the internet we now use. So my point is that no one group can claim that they alone created the modern internet. Therefore no one country can claim that they should control the internet. Since it is a world, resource, its control shold be in the hands of a world organisation.

During the 1950s, several communications researchers realized that there was a need to allow general communication between users of various computers and communications networks. This led to research into decentralized networks, queuing theory, and packet switching. The subsequent creation of ARPANET in the United States in turn catalyzed a wave of technical developments that made it the basis for the development of the Internet.

The first TCP/IP wide area network was operational in 1984 when the United States' National Science Foundation (NSF) constructed a university network backbone that would later become the NSFNet. It was then followed by the opening of the network to commercial interests in 1995. Important seperate networks that have successfully entered the Internet include Usenet, Bitnet and the various commercial and educational X.25 networks such as Compuserve and JANET.

The collective network gained a public face in the 1990s. In August 1991 Tim Berners-Lee publicized his new World Wide Web project, two years after he had begun creating HTML, HTTP and the first few web pages at CERN in Switzerland. In 1993 the Mosaic web browser version 1.0 was released, and by late 1994 there was growing public interest in the previously academic/technical Internet. By 1996 the word "Internet" was common public currency, but it referred almost entirely to the World Wide Web.

[Xiahou]

The internet was created in America, and the worldwideweb, http etc. was created in Europe. Both groups helped the creation of the internet we now use. So my point is that no one group can claim that they alone created the modern internet. Therefore no one country can claim that they should control the internet. Since it is a world, resource, its control shold be in the hands of a world organisation.

Look, just to be clear, what CERN created was a protocol Hyper Text Markup Protocol- it allows for the creation and display of web pages. It's not the Internet or anything close- it's something that runs over or thru the Internet and has nothing to do with it's structure or addressing, ect.

That's like Blizzard saying "Hey, we created BattleNET- we own the Internet too." Well, not exactly, but you get the idea. I had the priviledge of using the Internet for a few years before the WWW took off and the prevalence of HTML certainly makes it easier for most people to use, but don't confuse it with the Internet itself.

[scooter_the_shooter]

The internet was created in America, and the worldwideweb, http etc. was created in Europe. Both groups helped the creation of the internet we now use. So my point is that no one group can claim that they alone created the modern internet. Therefore no one country can claim that they should control the internet. Since it is a world, resource, its control shold be in the hands of a world organisation.

Oh yeah.......Come try and take take it!

[Don Corleone]

Louis,
I don't know the first thing about America forcing European countries to relinquish titular claims to Antartica. I'm afraid I'm rather ignorant there. But at the very least, we said 'nobody' owned it, we didn't force you to give control to us, which is the case here.

The WWW is not the Internet. You guys are showing your age when you express a belief that the 2 terms are equivalent. HTML is a protocol/programming language that allows a certain type of application to be run over the Internet. But CERN didn't do it in a vaccuum, the University of Illinois (courtesy of Mosaic) put a lot of effort in too, as well as others.

But the hardware layer and the network layer are all DARPA. The addressing system, the address servers, we invented it all. The WWW is just the most popular internet application right now, but there's also: FTP, Gopher, email, Instant Messaging and the rest.

What's more, I find it amazing that you guys are so insistent on taking it over. Thus far, the American government has pretty much left the Internet alone. With the exception of solving some child pornography and molestation cases, they have allowed the Internet to be whatever it wants. It's the EU that's saying that somebody needs to step in and start controlling what gets said. With talk like that, trust me, you're not going to be invited to share control. We must protect European Values, says Commissioner...While I agree with the Comissioner on the point of child pornography (and it's already illegal for that matter, police bust people for it all the time) the whole talk of banning hate speech on the Internet sounds scary. Essentially, whatever the ruling party in the EU doesn't like will become hate speech. Hell, I bet anything said by a Republican will automatically qualify as hate speech and be banned. Nope, not going that route...

[Viking]

Talk about Intellectual Property theft... Apparently, the EU was serious about getting into a war with the US. Your latest trick is demand that the United States turn over control of Internet master directories, even though it was our money and ingenuity that built the thing in the first place. With all due respect, who the hell do you guys think you are? I understand the arguments that you simply want to 'distribute addresses freely and fairly to all' and all that, but there are other ways of accomplishing that. If you folks really think the US is just going to turn over control of all the Internet master directories (at least with a Republican in the White House) you're off your rockers.
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/09/30/D8CUKA481.html

Let`s not forget who it was that 'invented' the U.S in the first place.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Let`s not forget who it was that 'invented' the U.S in the first place.

Al Gore!?! Wow, that man never ceases to amaze....


Seamus

[Crazed Rabbit]

Let`s not forget who it was that 'invented' the U.S in the first place.

uh...Americans?

Crazed Rabbit

[Viking]

uh...Americans?

Crazed Rabbit

Wrong, there was no Americans before America was created.

That has to be the most inane post i've seen in awhile...The US is an independent nation; not part of europe. I suggest that you read up on some of the events of 1776 and 1812

Did I say so? I`m just saying we want to take part in you parties, without 'us 'there would never been any 'you'.

[Mongoose]

Did I say so? I`m just saying we want to take part in you parties, without 'us 'there would never been any 'you'.

why not apply the samething to children? With out your parents, you wouldn't exist. therefore, any money you make or property you buy should belong to them. But make sure that you have plenty of children; you'll need money and property too. To make sure that you have a steady cash flow, have atleast have one extra child more then your parents. It's like a pyramid scheme.

things change after 200 years. Europe claiming to have "invented" The U.S is as absurd as italy demanding parts of europe and the middle east back because they owned those areas ~2000 years ago.

I repeat: The U.S is an independent nation. NOT part of Europe.