Any WRE Turnaround Specialists Out There?

**TinCow** · 10-09-2005, 15:33

Like I said above, I gave up about half my provinces and contracted. Starting at about 395-400AD, the WRE Rebels started having problems and I have so far had four provinces and three other armies flip back to my side. This has turned out to be very convenient since I was stable enough to support them by this point.

**Mahrabals apprentice** · 10-09-2005, 18:12

I tried forcing christianity and holding every province a couple of times with no success. I have loads of riots but no outright rebellions but by the time I have sorted everything out I am getting attacked on all sides

I have Franks, Alemani, the brown barbarian horde (can't remember who they are) and berbers blockading ports, blocking roads, sacking cities, occupying cities and I have no army capable of seeing all them off. Also there is a couple of pirates who always decimate my mediteranian fleet (very annoyingly

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Before the game came out people were talking about abandoning france and holding the rest, I have tried it. I gave up France and the balkans and reenforeced Italy, Spain and britain. I have taken over scotland and am about to take ireland, I have slaughtered the berbers at tingi and am about to retake some of the citieds I abandoned. BUT MY ECONOMY IS A DISASTER, I am still losing money every turn even after disbanding ALL my cavalry and Fedorati spearmen (the barabarin looking ones). I can't build any buildings to re-enforce my ecomomy or my damage units. ANd when I sack a city all it does is cut back the debt. I just can't do the WRE. I just shambe from 1 problem to the next just to find the original problem has come back

**PseRamesses** · 10-09-2005, 18:22

Originally Posted by Mahrabals apprentice

BUT MY ECONOMY IS A DISASTER, I am still losing money every turn even after disbanding ALL my cavalry and Fedorati spearmen (the barabarin looking ones).

You should really have a go at my approach. See earlier post in this thread or in the guides section: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=54952

**Dorkus** · 10-09-2005, 21:30

Originally Posted by Mahrabals apprentice

I just can't do the WRE. I just shambe from 1 problem to the next just to find the original problem has come back

Don't force christianity. Go with paganism and make sure you don't have any high influence christians in the region.

Then, as long as you keep training peasants, and send good govs to high pop provinces, you shouldn't ahve a problem holding the entire empire from turn 1.

**nameless** · 10-10-2005, 05:51

Apparently from what I have seen most of the cities that have pagan temples are actually christian so it would help to restore them to christianity. In general though it's best not to change their major religion...yet.

**econ21** · 10-10-2005, 09:30

Is there any point converting to Christianity? I just let my towns go with their majority religion and had no problems. But it's led to the Empire being pagan except in Italy and N. Africa. There's a slight (5%) penalty from the Emperor being Christian, but that seems nothing compared to the hassle of trying to convert all my cities.

**nameless** · 10-10-2005, 15:44

It depends, in the long run Chrisitianity is a good religion to have which promotes both better law and happiness. I heard it's difficult to control cities with pagan temples.

**Dorkus** · 10-10-2005, 16:43

Actually, it's harder to control cities with christian temples. You get max 5% more order from the highest level christian temple (which you should never build in any event -- it's far too expensive). But you'll have 1% more pop growth, which only makes it more difficult to maintain order (higher squalor and higher garrison required).

I won my WRE VH/VH campaign in 375 AD, and every city, including Rome, was completely pagan.

In addition to the order benefits, moreover, pagan temples give better bonuses. +2 exp to troops is particularly nice.

**nameless** · 10-11-2005, 04:33

Hmmm I see your point. Though you could simply go Christian, get the Monastry, and then switch to Pagan so you can at least keep those bonuses as well as the priests

I restarted WRE again on M/M and found that it's alot easier to micromanage taxes and everything rather than falling back to Italy. In a few turns I took the Berber's captial, which was fatal as that was their only source of income and later I took out their remaining city which left me as ruler of Africa. Yeeha. I also smashed the Allermai captial in turn 2 since they had like, nothing to fight back with and looted it.

I checked which cities were pagan or christian and focused their religions on that to avoid too much unrest.

Most of my cities are back on their feet and I'm currently building my first true field army and just in time as the Huns are coming

THey've already looted Illyria so I'm hoping to fight them at the bridges north of Ravenna. I'm annoyed that they didn't bother touching the ERE along with the Goths and Vandals. Their just beelining straight towards me. I hate it and most of my generals aren't even near the Italian front.

I played a short campaign as the Saxons and used a cheat to check out the map and I found that the Huns have taken control of half of the ERE along with the Roxanis bulldozing the Sassinds. Geeze why couldn't they do that?