Progress in Iraq

**Redleg** · 10-02-2005, 01:46

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Well as it was patently obvious from the beginning what would happen , then if people had even given it the slightest bit of thought then they wouldn't have to change their minds would they ?

Wow - you are gifted with 20/20 hindsight ability to call things correctly. What an amazing individual you are.

Why do you think most people object to this war , do you think it is because they want Saddam in power ???

LOL - nice try.

Or do you think it is because it was a complete ballsup sold on a pile of bullshit from before the word go .

Better yet - but again your gifted with 20/20 hindsight.

Even the reconstuction has become so underfunded that your government has resorted to asking private citizens to make donations .
Time to dig deep , as the $600 raised so far is ever so slightly short of the millions needed .

News to me - but then I don't watch television to get my news either.

**Tribesman** · 10-02-2005, 10:42

Wow - you are gifted with 20/20 hindsight ability to call things correctly. What an amazing individual you are.

Hindsight ??????? Get real Redleg .
Its foresight , as in looking at what is likely to happen , the same in Iraq as the situation in Afghanistan .
It isn't hard you know , it only takes a little bit of thinking .
Go back and look through the topics .

News to me - but then I don't watch television to get my news either.
So none of your news sources carried the White Houses appeal for donations then ?
Maybe that is why they only managed to raise 600 dollars .

**Redleg** · 10-02-2005, 14:53

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Wow - you are gifted with 20/20 hindsight ability to call things correctly. What an amazing individual you are.

Hindsight ??????? Get real Redleg .
Its foresight , as in looking at what is likely to happen , the same in Iraq as the situation in Afghanistan .
It isn't hard you know , it only takes a little bit of thinking .
Go back and look through the topics .

Why don't you look back through and enlighten us with your wisdom.

Or is it just easier to spout negative opinion after the fact?

News to me - but then I don't watch television to get my news either.
So none of your news sources carried the White Houses appeal for donations then ?
Maybe that is why they only managed to raise 600 dollars .

Or maybe the context of the appeal is not what you believe it to be. Lets see Bill Berkowitz's article might which is probably the source of your comment.

http://www.afsc.org/iraq/news/2005/0...al-ing-war.htm

Bill Berkowitz reveals an initiative by USAID to engage the U.S. public in Iraq by asking them to help privately fund relief projects. US policy has disabled and prevented humanitarian agencies and international institutions from working in Iraq, the effect has been to militarize relief. He mentions AFSC and the position on compensation. If you did not receive the Peace by Pieces earlier you should really look at it.

The USAID announcement

http://www.usaid.gov/press/releases/2005/pr050909.html

You might want to research what it really is since its part of an overall program that private citizens donate to projects that is sponsored by the USAID.

GlobalGiving's mission is to build a highly efficient marketplace where individuals, corporations, and other institutions can find and fund projects around the world. Since GlobalGiving launched in 2002, it has facilitated the flow of more than $2 million to over 400 projects.

GlobalGiving was sub-contracted by USAID to develop IraqPartnership. GlobalGiving develops similar customized giving portals to corporate, nonprofit, and official customers, and also supports a general site for international giving (www.globalgiving.com) that is accessible by anyone interested in giving directly to projects.

THe web site

http://www.iraqpartnership.org/cb/iraq/index.html

**Tribesman** · 10-02-2005, 15:04

Or is it just easier to spout negative opinion after the fact?

Since it is the same "negative" opinion from the beginning then how can it be "after the fact" Red ?
Or maybe the context of the appeal is not what you believe it to be. Lets see Bill Berkowitz's article might which is probably the source of your comment.

Nope , it was Scott Mccellans announcment that was my first source , and yes I have viewed the USAid site and do know what it is and what it does .

**Redleg** · 10-02-2005, 15:06

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Or is it just easier to spout negative opinion after the fact?

Since it is the same "negative" opinion from the beginning then how can it be "after the fact" Red ?

Just giving you some of your own arguementive style.

Or maybe the context of the appeal is not what you believe it to be. Lets see Bill Berkowitz's article might which is probably the source of your comment.

Nope , it was Scott Mccellans announcment that was my first source , and yes I have viewed the USAid site and do know what it is and what it does .

And you seem to think it has alternative motives then what is stated - how very negative of you.

**Tribesman** · 10-02-2005, 15:29

Just noticed that the forum will only go back 79 pages , so you cannot access my posts from before the invasion , the furthest back I could get was the assault on Fallujah .

And you seem to think it has alternative motives then what is stated - how very negative of you
Alternative motives ????
The government has asked its citizens to make donations to a Governmnet agency to help fund reconstuction and development in Iraq .
As the Government allocated a huge sum of money to cover these expenses already then why is there the need for extra funding ?
Because...... the administration had got its sums very wrong ....there has been a large amount of fraud and theft .....money allocated for work is being diverted to other purposes....expected revenue to the provisional/interim government has failed to materialise .

**Redleg** · 10-02-2005, 15:51

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Just noticed that the forum will only go back 79 pages , so you cannot access my posts from before the invasion , the furthest back I could get was the assault on Fallujah .

Now that is just to darn bad..

And you seem to think it has alternative motives then what is stated - how very negative of you
Alternative motives ????
The government has asked its citizens to make donations to a Governmnet agency to help fund reconstuction and development in Iraq .

For certain spefic projects. (the part you are leaving out)

As the Government allocated a huge sum of money to cover these expenses already then why is there the need for extra funding ?

Maybe because the expense is greater then what is planned.

Because...... the administration had got its sums very wrong ....there has been a large amount of fraud and theft .....money allocated for work is being diverted to other purposes....expected revenue to the provisional/interim government has failed to materialise .

there you go - that is the reason why they are asking. So what is your complaint again? Or is it just that you want to see only the negative in everything?