Civilization IV The Fascist Edition

**Del Arroyo** · 10-02-2005, 10:57

Originally Posted by bmolsson

Actually, it would be interesting if a civilisation developed in to each other. The Sioux developed in to Americans for example (even if it's a bad one)......

Actually, the Sioux got massacred and put on reservations.

**Komutan** · 10-02-2005, 17:29

I think Turks should be in the game. However, calling the developers rascist just because they did not include Turks in the game is "a little bit" of overreaction.

**Leet Eriksson** · 10-02-2005, 19:42

Lefteyenine, if you think thats annoying, then what would happen if your civ got a non-turk as its leader?

Thats exactly the Arabs case, we get Saladin. Its like a slap to the face.

ggthnxbye

I mean he could have added Al Hajjaj, that guy single handedly expanded the ummayad caliphate from spain to india. but no we get an overrated general instead.

**Steppe Merc** · 10-02-2005, 19:48

Originally Posted by faisal

Lefteyenine, if you think thats annoying, then what would happen if your civ got a non-turk as its leader?

Thats exactly the Arabs case, we get Saladin. Its like a slap to the face.

ggthnxbye

I mean he could have added Al Hajjaj, that guy single handedly expanded the ummayad caliphate from spain to india. but no we get an overrated general instead.

Huh, that is quite funny. You'd think they'd give any of the Caliphates(Al Hajjaj would have been a good choice), or even more logical Muhammed (since there isn't a starting date or whatever).
But Sala Al Hadin was a Kurd, if I'm not mistaken...

**LeftEyeNine** · 10-02-2005, 20:00

Yes he's Kurd. Although some historians say that he was a lot mixed up with Turkish values - may be or may be not.

**Leet Eriksson** · 10-02-2005, 20:04

Originally Posted by Steppe Merc

Huh, that is quite funny. You'd think they'd give any of the Caliphates(Al Hajjaj would have been a good choice), or even more logical Muhammed (since there isn't a starting date or whatever).
But Sala Al Hadin was a Kurd, if I'm not mistaken...

Well muhammed wouldn't work as showing his face or trying to imagine how he looks is considered taboo, but i mean if you want the most bang for the buck i'd have chosen al hajjaj, sure he was evil, but he was also a pain in the ass just like the rest of the civs leaders.

And Saladin didn't fight for the arabs, he fought for all of islam, not for a particular race, but the pan-arabists made him their official champion, maybe sid mier got his info wrong.

**King Henry V** · 10-02-2005, 20:14

Well most people, rightly or wrongly, do assume Saladin to be an Arab.

**Papewaio** · 10-02-2005, 20:29

And the French used to get some petite general from a small island called Corsica... does that make Civ racist?

**BDC** · 10-02-2005, 20:30

Originally Posted by faisal

Well muhammed wouldn't work as showing his face or trying to imagine how he looks is considered taboo, but i mean if you want the most bang for the buck i'd have chosen al hajjaj, sure he was evil, but he was also a pain in the ass just like the rest of the civs leaders.

And Saladin didn't fight for the arabs, he fought for all of islam, not for a particular race, but the pan-arabists made him their official champion, maybe sid mier got his info wrong.

Heh, that could be pretty funny. Can just imagine the headlines... "Games developer goes into hiding after showing The Prophet in game".

I suspect it's all kind of irrelevant. Civ games haven't ever been realistic. Oh look it's a democracy but I'm still basically the dictator.

**King Henry V** · 10-02-2005, 20:32

Yes and "Look, as I changed my government to democracy I can tax people at 100%!"

**Leet Eriksson** · 10-02-2005, 21:01

Originally Posted by BDC

Heh, that could be pretty funny. Can just imagine the headlines... "Games developer goes into hiding after showing The Prophet in game".

I suspect it's all kind of irrelevant. Civ games haven't ever been realistic. Oh look it's a democracy but I'm still basically the dictator.

Good point, i think when they added Abu Bakr in Civ 3, no one complained, so i guess 3d images are alright or even 2d as long as its cartoony or something.