Civilization IV The Fascist Edition

[Leet Eriksson]

Heh, that could be pretty funny. Can just imagine the headlines... "Games developer goes into hiding after showing The Prophet in game".

I suspect it's all kind of irrelevant. Civ games haven't ever been realistic. Oh look it's a democracy but I'm still basically the dictator.

Good point, i think when they added Abu Bakr in Civ 3, no one complained, so i guess 3d images are alright or even 2d as long as its cartoony or something.

[LeftEyeNine]

BTW do you know which general I am referring to?

Napoleon Bonaparte..

What are you trying to do? Moderatorship can give you incentives to look down on me and my knowledge ? Is it a teacher-pupil relationship that you can test me ?

[Papewaio]

Napoleon Bonaparte..

What are you trying to do? Moderatorship can give you incentives to look down on me and my knowledge ? Is it a teacher-pupil relationship that you can test me ?

And Napolean was he born in France and does he represent France in Civ...

Less then 10% of the worlds countries are represented in Civ, I hardly see not including one of the worlds nations as racist. If they included 95% of the world then the last 5% might have a case.

I look down on those who argue racism when it clearly is not... unless the makers of Civ have came out and stated they actively hate Turkey?

I have play Civ since the first version, the third had some good points but really didn't cut it for some reason.

I have never thought that Civ is racist because Australia, New Zealand, Fiji, Sweden or Wales are not represented.

[LeftEyeNine]

Comparing Pacific and Australian nations or the Welsh (considering the length, vigour, durability and test of time) with the one Turks have, you do not have my point.

Sorry, my mistake about ideas or not, this does not give you the right to test me..

You already have stated your ideas rationally, however you do not have the right attitude. I'm not concerned with your posts anymore, Pape.

Thanks..

[Papewaio]

Oh well at least we have revealed who the true racist is that somehow Turks are above anyone else.

Turkey is younger (1923) then all those other countries. It was the center of the Ottoman empire but not The Ottoman empire.

Australia has been a democracy longer then Turkey has existed as a separate state entity.

[Strike For The South]

No offnse to anyone but its a game for christs sake something fun not something to debate over Im sorry but there has to be something more important

[LeftEyeNine]

Turks not Turkey, Turks not Turkey, Turks not Turkey, Turks not Turkey..Turks not Tu..Oh, my wrist hurts..

[kiwitt]

So a grouping is missed out in the original. If the previous Civ series is anything to go by, you can mod the game and include any faction you like. Even MTW/RTW have been modded.

Game designers, will not want to hurt the modding community. There focus is on a balanced game and race is secondary to their considerations. And besides, the game is often played on a abstract world with no relation to the real world.

[Dâriûsh]

Good point, i think when they added Abu Bakr in Civ 3, no one complained, so i guess 3d images are alright or even 2d as long as its cartoony or something.

I doubt it. Then the game most likely wouldn’t be available in Saudi Arabia… or Iran for that matter. Some people would be very upset if the Prophet was depicted in any way, even if it is only a game.


Though, I think they did change the leader of the Chinese in the Chinese Civ3 version.

[Meneldil]

I doubt it. Then the game most likely wouldn’t be available in Saudi Arabia… or Iran for that matter. Some people would be very upset if the Prophet was depicted in any way, even if it is only a game.

I don't mean to be insulting, but seriously, who cares about selling games in Iran or Saudi Arabia ? Chinese might be a huge market, but it wouldn't be the first time a game is not sold in some arabian country for political or religious reasons.

[Dâriûsh]

I don't mean to be insulting, but seriously, who cares about selling games in Iran or Saudi Arabia ? Chinese might be a huge market, but it wouldn't be the first time a game is not sold in some arabian country for political or religious reasons.

Granted. But I was merely joking. No, the issue is that the Prophet must not be depicted, and that many people would find it offensive if he was. And by ‘many people’ I mean people from the sizeable Muslim community in the west.

[Meneldil]

This is out of topic, but I'm fairly sure I already saw ancient paintings of the Prophet in some History books. How is it possible ?

[Dâriûsh]

This is out of topic, but I'm fairly sure I already saw ancient paintings of the Prophet in some History books. How is it possible ?

I think the Iranian Safavids made some illustrations of the Prophet, but not with his face shown. There are also some famous Turkish illustrations, but again his face is disguised, I don’t remember what they are called, though. Depicting the Prophet is strongly discouraged.

Indeed, I must apologize for this off-topic debate.

[Leet Eriksson]

I doubt it. Then the game most likely wouldn’t be available in Saudi Arabia… or Iran for that matter. Some people would be very upset if the Prophet was depicted in any way, even if it is only a game.


Though, I think they did change the leader of the Chinese in the Chinese Civ3 version.

I don't mean the prophet, maybe his companions are ok, since in the UAE they also check games before releasing them. And Abu Bakr passed without a hitch.

Oh and the middle east has a big gaming community, or i'm made to think like that(EA for example has a branch in dubai, we have lots of lan cafes and such). I play online with saudis and iranians i'm sure its big there aswell.

Sorry for derailing the thread in advance

[LeftEyeNine]

Twooooot !

*puts the train into the the rail and pulls down the horn*