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    First, let me start with a thank you to CA. I have played all of their TW games with hundreds of hours of entertainment.

    Just bought BI; I know, late. Being Bulgarian by birth, I figured I will re-live the days when the Proto Bulgarian tribes crossed the Danube and settled in on Byzantine lands. So I picked up the Sarmacians on VH/M (I like fighting on medium as the AI seems to better handle tactics). The first try was a disaster. The second was much better and I got my objectives. The third was a repeat of second's strategy and won me the objectives again. Here is what I learned (most echoes what others have described):

    1) Don't hang onto your initial homeland. I tried that the first time; restarted probably 5 times. Never figured how to stop the Vandals and the Huns. None offered me to become protectorates and both insisted on destroying me first before moving on. Even when I horded, I still couldn't win, as their hordes are larger. Even if you win, you are so exhausted that you can barely retake your city from the rebels. At which point you are too poor to build much and too weak to stop the Roxolani or Goth or Ostrogoth hordes that will surely visit you.

    2) Build walls as the first building. Then build a market and a port. That will earn you some cash in the short term. Have your diplomat actively seeking trade rights and sell your maps.

    3) Build units every turn. When the Huns approach you, go into horde mode. With the army you have built (I suggest Sarmacian Armored Horse Archers) and your horde army, you should have almost 5 full stacks. Also, make sure you have built a second diplomat and a second spy.

    4) Devide the stacks: one group goes south, the other goes west. The southern stacks take Constantinople, Thessalonica and Athens. The westward stacks take out the more northern ERE cities.

    5) My westward stacks contained almost completely horse units. That was so I could put some distance between my horde and the Vandals and the Huns behind me. I relied solely on my spy to open the gates, which tipically happened within the first 3 rounds. Then I will smash into the city from 3 directions using mostly my generals to clear the gate area. The horse archers moved in next shooting to pieces all other units around the center.

    6) In roughly 6 turns, I have cleared the Balkans from ERE; took some of their cities twice to fill my coffers (a mistake, in the long term though). However, my coffers had ~ 80k by the time I settled in Athens and, shortly thereafter, in Salona.

    7) When you settle, make sure you have enough troops around to garrison the city. The Christian population doesn't look lovingly on the Pagan invaders (incidentally, I wanted to become a Christian faction, but couldn't figure out how). If your city happiness is below 75%, don't bother repairing -- chances are there will be revolts that will damage what you have repaired again. Make sure your population is happy before you repair the buildings.

    8) Start cranking Sarmatian Virgin Archers and Bosphoran Infantry (you only really need 2 Bosphoran Infantry units, the others can be archers). These are your true garrison troops. I had 3 hordes attack me in Salona. They were sorry they did it. Station your archers on the walls. Start by shooting normal arrows at the guys in the towers. Once the towers got close, switch to flaming arrows. Don't worry about the rams -- your wall towers will destroy those (the beauty of stone walls!). Typically my archers will destroy all but 1 tower -- this must be a programmed feature, to give the AI a chance to invade your city. That's the spot your Bosphoran Infantry runs to guard. By the time the unit spills out of the tower, your archers have reduced it to a 1/4 of its original size, so your own infantry makes a short work out of them. Have your archers continue to shoot at the seige tower though. Mine typically burned it right after the unit in it spilled out on my wall. With just one unit -- greatly reduced by your archers -- it is easily contained and dealt with. Then the seige is over. With the enemy losing over 500 men, while you have lost less than a 100 archers.

    9) Once you have built enough units, load an army and take Kydonia, Constantinople and Thessalonica. Once those are yours, the money rolls in. In fact, I couldn't build fast enough and I still was in the black almost every turn.

    10) Well, people say that money corrupts. So true in RTW-BI. When you settled in Athens and Salonia, you, like me, probably would have ~ 80k. That money goes down over time, but it never came under 30k even after I filled in the construction queue. And after taking the other ERE towns I never came lower than that. The unfortunate part was that ALL my family members had such horrific anti-management traits that it was better not to use them as governors. So, what's their use?

    11) They are your field army. Those guys just rule! I had 6 of them in a stack (I had only one that I used to convert new towns and gave that guy all possitive 'friends' from my other guys). With those 6 guys, I cleared the rest of the hordes. They were unstoppable. My faction leader, who lived to 78, had a bodiguard retinue of 47 people. I would take him and his heir towards the back of an enemy. My other guys will charge from the front, these two guys charged from the back. A charge in the back with 47 heavy knights is a hard thing to take. Very few enemies withstood more than 2 charges by those guys. Most broke and ran after the first charge.

    That's pretty much it. Stay in the Balkans and get your 14 settlements. Then take an army and get your last objective accross the black sea.

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    the implication of unit size for horde nomads is a whopper.
    with big units your disbanding will have a much bigger effect on happiness when settling down. and if you grab a metroplis like Constantinople for its high level tech, recruiting will help keep population growth in check.
    as for my Sarmatians, we rule! but nearly all the family are over 50. doesn't this make them less likely to breed?
    children are good
    But vain the spear and vain the bow,
    They never can work War's overthrow;
    The hermit's prayer and the widow's tear
    Alone can free the world from fear
    (Blake)

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    I noticed the 2 extra family members when I started my first game with sarmatians. They come because theres minimum requirement of 4 family members when hording. I edited the minimum requirement to 2 and started again.

    I build virgin cavarly and horded just before the huns came. The ERE general in charge of constantinopole whent for walk and I used whole horde to sack weakly defended constantinopole. After that I took macedonia as my new home and weakly defended athens as well. At this point I still had some of the horde and nice amount of cash so I hired all mercs I could find and took constantinopole from rebels. I allied myself with Sassanids and Goths.

    I figured I have pretty good standing and started building up armies. This was propably mistake since 3 of my 4 faction generals got traits that reduce tax collecting and management (faction leader had 4 different ones), faction heir was dangerously mad and the last one had bad health (-6 hitpoints).

    I noticed that tribus lazygens was still rebel and took all my merceneries and expentable units at the leadership of faction leader and 2nd oldest son there to take it. Took it only to find out that I was sieged by vandal horde in 2 turns. I managed to fight of the first attack they made but I was left with 5-10% of the man streight I came with and took a beating when the next attack came.

    I was left with the faction leader "Rumo the Mad" and the 4th son that has -6 hitpoints. I whent for defensive mode and managed to get some chilren and one adoptee. Rumo the Mad was terrible governor but pretty good general, so I decided that its good time to take sarmatia back. I assempled nice force and whent there just to notice that its held by vandals. Took it out of em easy and noticed that the goths where going for tribus lazygens.

    Huns are living in modern turkey, I have no clue where roxolani are, ERE is fortified to Sirlindumding, Salona is rebel, WRE is really strong but allied with me, barbarians are pretty harmonious, I think sassanids are going to take out ERE if the huns dont...

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    The virgin cavarly has nice charge and when they get 3 experience from start they are nice force. Bosborans are also key element in my tactics cause they can keep the comistaes occupied while cavarly kills other. I usually do charges with all my cavarly to the strong points of enemy in 2 waves; 1st the virgin cavarly then the generals + armored archers. The retreat the 1st wave trought the 2nd wave and then charge again with 1st and retreat 2nd and so on...

    I also build church of pai to constantinopole and it seems to give out anchillaries that help with getting children. The sarmatian women of my family tree are having 3-4 babies per head at the moment.

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    I also noticed that my poor sarmatians dont have much of buildings and therefore getting rid of culture penaly is really hard. I normally destroy roman buildings I dont need but the roads, farms, imperial palace, harbors... Are there to stay...
    Last edited by Sebastian Seth; 12-29-2006 at 03:53.
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    Just for a different tack on the Sarmatians, I tried hording and heading north, away from the Vandals and Huns. I attacked Lombardy and Burgundy, making some nice cash and in the process sending them both west in horde mode against the Franks. My goal is to have them tie up the Franks and WRE while I head south again for some coastal territories to settle in, but it'll be interesting to see what throwing rocks into this hornet's nest will produce.

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    I played in the similar way as PietrolEremita and I think this is the way to go. Eliminating Sassanids early will give you a lot of cash, potentialy rich land to settle and will take out a dangerous enemy. Ere can alsou cause you problems since some of their units are armoured but upkeek of their units is really high so you won't see much of them even late in the game. Most of their units will be easy to pick off from the distance with your HA since their main fighting force is infantry.

    First I sacked Sassanid cities so that I get cash. Sassanid army is a problem only when they have dreaded clibinarii's, but in thr beggining you won't find so many of them. After I got some cash from sacking, i let Sassanids take back their cities so that they wear themselves out on the rebels. After that I started sieging the cities again. I waited out the sieges, not just because steppe factions are bad at them, but there was also a chance that it would draw out some more of their fighting force in the open. I synchronized the sieges so that I could take 2-3 cities a turn after I take the first one. I took the first one and settled, and a turn after I took 3 more and killed the population to get more money. Of course, I had some mercenaries in every stack that was sieging because settling disbands the horde.

    After that the sassanids were done and I thought that would allow me some breathing space to develop economy. But ERE soon attacked me. With only a few units, I had no chance to defend so I hoarded again. I decided to do with the ERE the same as I did with the sassanids. This was a lot harder since I had to fight a lot of full stacks, but it is feasible if your are patient and don't rush in to the battle. Wear them out with arrows before you attack them in melee.

    I wasted city after city until I almost reached Constantinople and the I decided to turn back and take some cities around Cyprus. Again I synchronized the sieges so I ended up with several rich cities and lot of cash. ERE also lost some time in taking back their now rebel cities, which gave me time to build up my army. I defeated the remnants of the ERE army easily and I ended up with no real competition from Constantinople and Jerusalem.

    Since barbarians armies are cheap to upkeep, I was able to build huge armies and still net a great amount of money each turn. Taking Cyprus really paid off, even though it was a pain in the neck to get your armies across with all the ERE navy being there.

    After this I stoped playing because there was no challenge. Being able to field almost limitless armies, it was only a matter of time when I will be victorious.

    So I think taking out sassanids and ere are the best solution for Sarmatians.
    You take out two potentialy powerful enemies when you have advantage in numbers, get rich lands for both sacking and settling, and you also are somewhat out of the way of other hordes...

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    Things took an ugly turn in my Sarmatian campaign; after sacking a bunch of the WRE, I headed for Italy proper and settled in Ravenna, Rome and Tarentum. It seemed like an opportune moment; the Vandals had attacked me so I killed their king and they had headed east, and the Huns were settling over near Byzantium. I started earning cash and getting out of debt and everything looked positive when I got the message that the Goths had horded....I don't know how many stacks---6 or 7, all headed for Ravenna. Of course, I had just disbanded all my mercs so I could get out of the hole. I couldn't get any assistance there in time, and so Ravenna was besieged (I guess I should have just abandoned it). I killed a stack or so of Goths, but they were coming from just too many directions and the city finally fell. Meanwhile, Tarentum revolted, leaving me just Rome and a handful of generals in it. I said phooey, horded myself and sacked the city to get some cash, but was disturbed to see only three half-stacks under my command. I don't know what to do but I think I'm not going to win this game.

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    To stay away froms steppe hordes,you should become one yourself,then march into the holy lands of jerusalem,once you take salamis,you should sail to greece or italy,(greece or italy may be infested with goths and huns,and head north to dacia......
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