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[O'ETAIPOS]

{tetrere_fleet} Tetrere Fleet

{tetrere_fleet_descr}
\n\n Tetrere is very powerful warship, inferior only to mighty penteres and some rare bigger ships. Ho Basileos, people who seem credibe claim that first four row warships were built by skilled shipwrights from Kart Hadaszt. We also know that as early as two years after 95th Olimpiade (398 BC) Dionysos, tyranos of Syracusai had those in his fleet. Since then they are part of any mighty fleet. If You think of achieving Thalassokratia You should consider reinforcing Your navy with many of those. \n\nAlthough tetreres were the bulk of many hellenistic fleets its costruction is still uncertain. The most probable recontruction states that it has two rows of oars manned by two oarsmen each. The size is also uncertain, but the biggest Athenian docks mesured 37x6 metres. This may suggest that this was the size of the "4" (tetrere) and "5" (pentere) - the biggest ships we know Athens had. If this is true, the crew of tetrere would consist of 232 men operating 116 oars. Some iconography suggest that tetrere was completely boxed-in - had full deck and covered sides,also being two rowed this ship doesn't need outtriggers. On longer voyages, if the wind blowed from behind sails were used (main on the central mast and additional on small mast on the ship's front). The ship was armed with ram, it has also boarding crew of somewhere below 40 men, while the ship was capable of carrying additional 60-80 men. Later some were armed with catapults or balistas.

{tetrere_fleet_descr_short}
Tetrere is very powerful warship, inferior only to mighty penteres and some rare bigger ships.

[edyzmedieval]

Sure man.
Did 3 of them.

Getai Wooden Wall

A rough, wooden wall is a better defence than a palisade of stakes
and the Getai were experts at building wood and later even stone defences.
Better than a crude palisade, and reinforced in the weaker parts of the wall,
It will delay an enemy force breaking into the settlement, but organised Getai tribes will surely break in easily. Wood can be easily burnt down with flaming arrows, and this was a major setback, because the Getai were expert archers. Later, the Getai built stone defences for their cities and sacred places. The rough wall also keeps in livestock and grain, and also improving the walls will add grain stores to extend the time
a settlement can resist a siege.

Getai Palisade

A wall of logs around a settlement gives a sense of security,
and Getai were experts at building wood and even stone defences.
Although it's only a crude palisade, which cannot delay attackers for long,
the necessity urged the Getai to build stronger palisades, because of constant turmoil in these lands, especially attacks from other Getai tribes.
A crude palisade like this is cheap and easy to build, and will provide some basic defence but determined attackers will easily destroy these defences.

Getai Sedentary Farming

Agriculture was the most important way of gaining money in these periods.
Before the Getai established trade routes to the Greek fortified colonies on the bank of the Pontus Euxinus, agriculture was the only way of living.
Advanced tools were rare at that period, so the sedentary farming was established. This was basically subsistence farming, where people can only just feed themselves and their families.

Hope you like them.

[edyzmedieval]

Like'em?!

Oh BTW, any other help needed?!(basic coding...)
And how's the tech tree going?!

[Teleklos Archelaou]

edzy,
The descriptions are pretty good, but I'd say that a little bit more of a faction-specific touch would make them just right. As it is now, another faction name could be inserted and they'd just about work for them too. The last one of the ones you did is the best in this respect, but it's also the shortest. If we had a little more material that might tie into more who they are, I think we could definitely use them.

If you could do this type of thing then for more buildings, we can certainly keep working on this together too. This faction will be helped a lot with some more building touches like this.

I'll try to get you some more possible ones to work on too.

[O'ETAIPOS]

Could I ask do you like mine tetrere descr?

[Teleklos Archelaou]

PM'd you already. Check your messages.

[O'ETAIPOS]

Thanks! It was fist PM ever ... I didn't notice it

[edyzmedieval]

edzy,
The descriptions are pretty good, but I'd say that a little bit more of a faction-specific touch would make them just right. As it is now, another faction name could be inserted and they'd just about work for them too. The last one of the ones you did is the best in this respect, but it's also the shortest. If we had a little more material that might tie into more who they are, I think we could definitely use them.

If you could do this type of thing then for more buildings, we can certainly keep working on this together too. This faction will be helped a lot with some more building touches like this.

I'll try to get you some more possible ones to work on too.

Sure man. Try to gather some more info, but that's about it. Apart from the stone walls they used, there's not really too much info bout the Dacians(Getai) at the starting date.

What else needed?!(even modding...)

[Spendios]

Do you still need help in writing descriptions ? I have noticed that most of Carthaginians buildings have no descriptions, I could try to do that...just let me know if you are interested.

[O'ETAIPOS]

another desc - Pentere

{pentere_fleet} Pentere Fleet

{pentere_fleet_descr}
\n\n This is a true rudiment of thalasokratia Ho Basileos! The fleet of mighty penterai is the best our shipwrights can build. Historians claim that it was Syracusai tyranos Dionisos who built first penterai, as he had some two years before 95th Olimpiade (398BC). The fleet will also be acompanied by some even bigger ships (like hexerai or hepterai) to serve as flagships and to threaten Your enemy. If You have these, and more ships than Your enemy, You will be crowned by Nike in short time! \n\n There are numerous attempts to reconstruct pentere. Some scientists believe that it had 2 rows of oars manned (from the deck) 3-2, others state that 3 rows of oars are more probable manned either 1-2-2 or 2-2-1, some even mention single level with 5 oarsmen. Three level theory seems the most probable as we have information that "5" was much higher than "4". Single source menions even that it was possible to buld pentere on the hull designed to be tetrere - this is the main argument for single manned, probably open third level on outtriggers - just like this on triere. Available info suggest also that "5"s were about the same lenght and width than "4"s - 37x6m. The crew consisted of 300 oarsmen operating (3row scheme) 184 oars. The ship carried 40 marines but could accomodate 80 soliders more, as it had full deck. These ships were armed with balistas of various sizes, but the ram was still main weapon. As every greek warship it had sails that were used during longer voyages.

{pentere_fleet_descr_short}
These ships are the true rudiment of thalasokratia Ho Basileos!