What is Morality

[Strike For The South]

Alright get ready to take a big bite outta crome Yall

Moralty-Concern with the distinction between good and evil or right and wrong; right or good conduct

I belive Morality isnt just going with whats hip or cool things such as (among many) marrige and human courrtesy which recently have been hijacked As sit here and type The moral decay IMO has already started in Europe and America is starting to show cracks and I belive this lax apporach to life will be the end of us

[Strike For The South]

Morality is common sense. Those who have it will always have it, those who don't will always undermine it. Laws which seek to impose morality are nothing more than thinly disguised tyranny.

Its not just common sense basic laws should be enacted some of which America has freedom is one thing but anarchy is quite another

[Sjakihata]

so from where did morality arise? If we look at humans in a evolutionary sense (ignoring the God concept for a second, if you'll bear with me) when did we become moral? Are fish moral? are monkeys? are humans?

or is moral relative, depending on circumstance and situation?

if you say morality is good and bad, then please define good and bad, thank you.

[Strike For The South]

so from where did morality arise? If we look at humans in a evolutionary sense (ignoring the God concept for a second, if you'll bear with me) when did we become moral? Are fish moral? are monkeys? are humans?

or is moral relative, depending on circumstance and situation?

if you say morality is good and bad, then please define good and bad, thank you.

Relative usually not Human moratily should at least be common sense and courtesy to your fellow man and not doing just what you want because the other thing is tough or just dosent fit in with your so called lifestyle

[Sjakihata]

Relative in most cases no but in some and good and bad should be common sense and courtesy to your fellow man and not doing just what you want because the other thing is tough or just dosent fit in with your so called lifestyle

phew, I didnt get that. one big sentence, could you please re-write it and structure it? Im too stupid to get your point.

[Strike For The South]

Where did I say anything about Anarchy? Morality means alot of things to alot of people. But the only universal truths to it all are the only ones that should translate into law. Don't kill. Don't lie to authority. Don't cheat, commit fraud, or otherwise falsify things, ect. Basically: Be an honest and good citizen.

When you start making laws against people's personal lives, claiming a "Moral" high ground, that's debasing the ideas of morality right there.

alright I thought you meant anarchy

[Sjakihata]

WBut the only universal truths to it all are the only ones that should translate into law. Don't kill. Don't lie to authority. Don't cheat, commit fraud, or otherwise falsify things, ect. Basically: Be an honest and good citizen.

interresting, especially since SFTS define US as the last stronghold of morality. They kill (death penalty), they lie (iraq war, recent example, but many others), they cheat (clinton and also many other cases im sure), fraud (i dont even think I have to comment here) etc etc, every thing apparent immoral the US is guilty of - somehow Im sure SFTS disagree here, no?

[Strike For The South]

interresting, especially since SFTS define US as the last stronghold of morality. They kill (death penalty), they lie (iraq war, recent example, but many others), they cheat (clinton and also many other cases im sure), fraud (i dont even think I have to comment here) etc etc, every thing apparent immoral the US is guilty of - somehow Im sure SFTS disagree here, no?

The people are the best hope nearly everyone in the goverment is euro commie bastard or a fat oil tycoon who gets a chubby everytime he sees green The good moral people need to hold there ground

I belive the death penalty is justifably. As for Iraq pherpas Bush didnt lie maybe he acted on bad intellegince as for the rest see above

[Sjakihata]

The people are the best hope nearly everyone in the goverment is euro commie bastard or a fat oil tycoon who gets a chubby everytime he sees green The good moral people need to hold there ground

I belive the death penalty is justifably. As for Iraq pherpas Bush didnt lie maybe he acted on bad intellegince as for the rest see above

so you mean that the overly fat, lazy, stupid, ignorant, selfish, and greedy modern man is morality's best hope? I disagree.

[Strike For The South]

so you mean that the overly fat, lazy, stupid, ignorant, selfish, and greedy modern man is morality's best hope? I disagree.

and many got that way by being immoral and that needs to change like I said its already begun we need to stop it

[Sjakihata]

In a functioning democracy, the people invest in the state the power to kill those who would do the people harm. That's as old as time, and has never had any trouble functioning alongside morality.

For the rest, however, you are abhoringly correct.

I disagree. Let's take an ancient example. Socrates. Sentenced to death. In a democracy. Plato didnt think that very moral or fair.

As Im sure, like Socrates was a great person, many great (and innocent) persons die in american execution rooms. this cannot be moral, and you can scream all night long, it isnt (as you yourself argued) common sense to kill innocents.

But, let's not turn this into a death penalty thread - for gods sake - but focus on morality.

no one so far gave me a clear definition.

[Red Harvest]

America is starting to show cracks and I belive this lax apporach to life will be the end of us

More likely airborne infectious disease is a far greater risk. I've been amazed at how efficient small children are at spreading disease. My kids are healthiest when they don't go to school/daycare...or church. Sad and unworkable, but true.

Bugs go global in a hurry now and there really aren't many good firewalls to insulate the spread of disease from one region to the next...unless it presents some rather severe obvious (& specific) warning signs.

[bmolsson]

Moral is something we want everyone else to have......

[Geoffrey S]

Morals are personal, something a state should not interfere with unless they become damaging to others. It's easy to state that but just how far can you go? If taken too far it means problems don't get tackled at the source, yet if it's not seen that way minority views get suppressed by a majority on hazy issues such as drug use. As far as I'm concerned just learn to accept that some people don't have the same views as you, and learn to live with it.

bmolsson: nice one.

[Sjakihata]

Moral is something we want everyone else to have......

untrue

[Sjakihata]

clarification:

morality is something we want to have ourselves - is more true.

because morality ultimately lead to the good and happy life, so why dont we want, ourselves instead of others, to lead the happy life?

[Soulforged]

Seemed like a fair assessment to me. Consider: Bush promotes "Morality" Bush also dodged the draft (in a manner of speaking), did drugs in his youth, and makes millions off the backs of the poor, while promoting the continued making of millions off the backs of the poor by other people.

All politicians who proclaim morality have similar holes in their logic.

Morality is out of politics. Politics looks for the improvement of the society not of the self. Machiavelli putted it very clear, nothing has changed from those moments. Weber confirmed it.