Flanking question

**Doug-Thompson** · 10-05-2005, 19:33

OK. We've had our fun, but the serious answer to mgdpublic's question is: Lay an ambush. This is not easily done.

What we'd all like to do is have infantry in a column, run out o the side, make a "left face" or "right face" turn, and charge.

No, there is no easy way to do that. The easiest would be to do the old "drag and drop," but that's not really practical on a confused battlefield. You're trying to drag the cursor over units.

The best way to do it, really, is to find a weak unit or gap in the enemy line and bust through. Then break off the pursuit and charge something else in the flank or from behind.

**mgdpublic** · 10-05-2005, 20:11

Originally Posted by Doug-Thompson

What we'd all like to do is have infantry in a column, run out o the side, make a "left face" or "right face" turn, and charge.

Yea this is more like what I'm asking. For instance, if you had the layout I described and moved the second unit to the right of the enemy unit but not perpendicular (rotated), would you even get a flanking bonus?

**Doug-Thompson** · 10-05-2005, 20:27

Originally Posted by mgdpublic

Yea this is more like what I'm asking. For instance, if you had the layout I described and moved the second unit to the right of the enemy unit but not perpendicular (rotated), would you even get a flanking bonus?

Some, but not much. Only the few units at the end that was actually in contact would get the bonus. Now, there would be a bonus as your unit closed in and wrapped around, but it would take a while.

**Bob the Insane** · 10-05-2005, 20:53

Flanking bonus...

There is and there is not one of these...

The only "bonus" flanking or attacking from the rear gives you is an instant but temporary drop in the attacked units morale. If this does not break that unit it does not make much different...

For the actual fighting troops attacking from the flank or rear do not receive an abstract bonus. In fact the game is deep enough that the individual soldiers are easier to hit when attacked from the rear (no defense or shield bonus) and can't hit back until they turn around (I think). Your "bonus" comes from the reality that attacking from the rear is more effective and damages the enemies morale...

If you charge from the side you don't drop the enemies morale as much but any troops that wrap around the back will be pretty effective.

**Oaty** · 10-06-2005, 13:49

Hold down the shift key and give them waypoints.

**rebelscum** · 10-06-2005, 14:31

You also can't flank the new horde spear formation that has no front or back, you know the round ones

I've broken one before but lost the battle as one still remained and had no arrows left. Anyone know the best tactics for these i.e Surround with heavy infantry and charge?

**TinCow** · 10-06-2005, 14:39

Originally Posted by rebelscum

You also can't flank the new horde spear formation that has no front or back, you know the round ones

I've broken one before but lost the battle as one still remained and had no arrows left. Anyone know the best tactics for these i.e Surround with heavy infantry and charge?

Shower them with missiles of any kind. Cavalry against this is an absolute no-no unless they are very low on morale and/or you don't mind losing the unit. Otherwise, charge with as many heavy infantry as you can from as many directions as possible. Fortunately, these formations are only usually encountered when the spear unit is isolated, so you can often take you time and surround them fully before they charge. This formation takes some time to get into as well, so a hasty charge when you see it begin to form can disrupt it.

**PseRamesses** · 10-06-2005, 15:42

Originally Posted by oaty

Hold down the shift key and give them waypoints.

Waypoints are ok when getting from A to B. The problem is that when a unit comes to waypoint it doesn´t immidiately go on to the next one, it stops and then moves on. So a running unit will: run-stop-run-stop-etc. Due to this annoying feat it makes the use of waypoints during battle a waste of time and quite frustrating IMO.