I can't train Knights Hospitaller

**Geezer57** · 10-05-2005, 23:27

Originally Posted by Yukon Cornelius

Bad! *thwaps with rolled newspaper*

If you leave it there for one turn it'll quite likely lose some of the unique crusade troops it may have generated.

This sort of loss may be pretty common, but it doesn't always happen. I left a Crusade sitting in its start province for over ten years before it started losing troops. Every year before that the darn thing just kept getting bigger. Of course it helped that the province zeal there was 100%, and the General I put in charge of the stack had max zeal too.

Crusade gains and/or losses during overland travel are heavily dependent on province zeal. That's why many players "pave" the way for their Crusades with Inquisitors in the travel path. They get to "hoover" more units from the factions they're travelling through.

**blackmarket** · 10-06-2005, 00:29

first of all - Many thanks for all the answers!

As I assumend I misunderstood the basic rules of crusading. I thought I could train the crusader units just like any other common unit once I've started a crusade and sent it to the target province.
Mea maxima culpa

I took a look in the techtree this night and it said Knights Hospitaler will only appear (or join a crusade) in the high period. Can anyone confirm this?

One more question: I've read about not putting the king or heirs into the crusader army because it would cause much trouble - but why?

blackmarket

P.S.: great forum! respects!

**Geezer57** · 10-06-2005, 02:41

Originally Posted by blackmarket

One more question: I've read about not putting the king or heirs into the crusader army because it would cause much trouble - but why?

P.S.: great forum! respects!

The main reason you don't put your King in a Crusade is that it can cut his influence off from his kingdom, which can lower loyalty/happiness and can trigger rebellions and civil wars.
The reason heirs shouldn't be put in Crusades is basically the same, only less likely: the King could die of old age or illness while the heir was off Crusading, then the new King would find himself stuck a'Crusading. Who would be ruling the realm - not the rightful ruler, now?

Yep, it is a great forum - enjoy!

**Weebeast** · 10-06-2005, 11:23

I'm just wondering, if a ruler is in the crusade, will he gain anything(ridiculous amount of influence, etc) if he succeeds?

I think making them available to build on daily basis isn't 'historically incorrect' as any invasions can be considered as crusade.

**Geezer57** · 10-06-2005, 13:01

Originally Posted by Weebeast

I'm just wondering, if a ruler is in the crusade, will he gain anything(ridiculous amount of influence, etc) if he succeeds?

A sucessful Crusade gains the faction ruler +1 influence, IIRC, regardless of if he's in it or not.

**VikingHorde** · 10-06-2005, 14:01

In the XL mod (both 2.0 and 2.1), only the Order factions can train teutonic knights, Knights Hospitaller ect., but you can get them by making a crusade. What units you get in a crusade is pretty random, so sometimes you get Knights Hospitaller, sometimes only order footsoldiers and fanatics.

**EatYerGreens** · 10-06-2005, 00:38

Originally Posted by Geezer57

This sort of loss may be pretty common, but it doesn't always happen. I left a Crusade sitting in its start province for over ten years before it started losing troops. Every year before that the darn thing just kept getting bigger. Of course it helped that the province zeal there was 100%, and the General I put in charge of the stack had max zeal too.

This is verrry interesting news. Well, it is to me, anyway.

I think blackmarket was hoping that launching his crusade from Malta would generate Hospitaller Knights and I'd be interested to find out if he got increasing numbers of them by leaving it there for a few years before setting off.

I can't do any testing myself, at the moment, as the Pope declared war on me in my latest campaign, then wouldn't accept ceasefire. I have a marker trained but he refuses to permit me to launch any crusades, at anywhere!

The only one I've launched in this campaign was a short hop (2 moves) against the excommed English. I only got One unit of Teutonic Knights, two of Teutonic Sergeants and ZERO fanatics at the start (but the Pope charged me nothing, so only to be expected). However, it did pick up a couple of full units of mounted crossbows, from out of nowhere, after its first move. Certainly not 'absorbed' from my normal stacks, I hasten to add. For the record, the province lacked the facilities to create that unit type, so there's no link there either.

Users who bought the bargain-bucket edition really have been sold short, it seems, in that they don't even get the tech tree chart (I gather it's downloadable from somewhere), without which it isn't made clear that some units are only obtainable via crusade launch. Direct mention of one of these, in Malta's unit bonus description is something of a teaser.

**blackmarket** · 10-06-2005, 00:56

Originally Posted by EatYerGreens

I think blackmarket was hoping that launching his crusade from Malta would generate Hospitaller Knights and I'd be interested to find out if he got increasing numbers of them by leaving it there for a few years before setting off.

I'll give it a try and will report soon.
I got 3 units of Order Foot Soldiers and 2 units of Fanatics in the first year after sending the crusade (these units where not trained by me - so they joined the crusade).

blackmarket