Legendary Weapons in BI?

[Bob the Insane]

All the relics (plus effects):

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Ancillary relic_christian_martyr
Effect Unrest -1
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Ancillary relic_st_polycarp
Effect Unrest -1
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Ancillary relic_true_cross_nail_1
Effect Unrest -2
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Ancillary relic_true_cross_nail_2
Effect Unrest -2
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Ancillary relic_true_cross_nail_3
Effect Unrest -2
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Ancillary relic_true_cross_nail_4
Effect Unrest 1
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Ancillary relic_true_cross_splinters_1
Effect Law 1
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Ancillary relic_true_cross_splinters_2
Effect Law 1
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Ancillary relic_true_cross_splinters_3
Effect Law 1

Weapons (plus effects):

Ancillary spear_of_longinus
Effect Combat_V_Hun 1
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Ancillary spear_of_wotan
Effect TroopMorale 2
Effect Attack 1
Effect InfantryCommand 1
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Ancillary sword_in_the_stone
Effect Influence 1
Effect TroopMorale 1
Effect Defence 1
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Ancillary sword_of_chinglu
Effect TroopMorale 3
Effect Combat_V_Nomad 2
Effect Law 2


Plus, check this out:

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Ancillary merlin
Image hooded_figure_ancillary.tga
Unique
ExcludeCultures carthaginian, eastern, hun, nomad, roman
Description merlin_desc
EffectsDescription merlin_effects_desc
Effect LineOfSight 2
Effect BattleSurgery 10

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And finally???

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Ancillary inflatable_sheep
Image sultry_strumpet_ancillary.tga
Description inflatable_sheep_desc
EffectsDescription inflatable_sheep_effects_desc
Effect TroopMorale -3
Effect Combat_V_Barbarian 2

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[lars573]

So I was wrong no hammer of Thor but Odin's unering spear. Still Merlin w00t.

[Kraxis]

Yeah forgot to mention Merlin as one of the cool ancilliaries. Btw, he is not named Merlin in the text, but something similar in what appears to be Celtic.

[rebelscum]

All the relics (plus effects):
Plus, check this out:

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Ancillary merlin
Image hooded_figure_ancillary.tga
Unique
ExcludeCultures carthaginian, eastern, hun, nomad, roman
Description merlin_desc
EffectsDescription merlin_effects_desc
Effect LineOfSight 2
Effect BattleSurgery 10

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And finally???

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Ancillary inflatable_sheep
Image sultry_strumpet_ancillary.tga
Description inflatable_sheep_desc
EffectsDescription inflatable_sheep_effects_desc
Effect TroopMorale -3
Effect Combat_V_Barbarian 2

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Give me strength. More Arthurian legend bs. How about the holy grail as a relic, and while we're at me might as well have the Arc of the Covenant.

[Taffy_is_a_Taff]

RS:
I gave up hoping that BI would be historical so I'm loving this crap like dogs love legs.

[lars573]

Give me strength. More Arthurian legend bs. How about the holy grail as a relic, and while we're at me might as well have the Arc of the Covenant.

That's a great idea I may have to mod those in! Not what kind of effects should they have.

[rebelscum]

Well the Arc of the Covenant supposedly destroys entire armies with a supernatural energy if carried before it. Some people say that it may have contained something radioactive. Maybe something dropped by a passing alien spaceship who knows.
The Holy Grail, well of course that resores life to anyone who drinks from it as it held the blood of christ, who we all know was an alien
So we can change the name of the game to alien invasion.

[Taffy_is_a_Taff]

they should have a special green knight 1 man unit.

As I said before, rebels led by Mordred.

Camelot, where's Camelot?

[rebelscum]

There are also the Rod of Aaron and the staff of Moses both pre-christian relics the Jewish religion could use for their armies.
The Rod of Aaron was supposedly stored in the arc of the covenant with the ten commandment tablets.

[Taffy_is_a_Taff]

what was the name of that special book of prophecies in Rome?

[antisocialmunky]

Well the Arc of the Covenant supposedly destroys entire armies with a supernatural energy if carried before it. Some people say that it may have contained something radioactive. Maybe something dropped by a passing alien spaceship who knows.
The Holy Grail, well of course that resores life to anyone who drinks from it as it held the blood of christ, who we all know was an alien
So we can change the name of the game to alien invasion.

Yes, God carved the 10 commandments in Krytonite...

Techinally, the ark itself never destroyed armies. It was just a symbol of God. It served to represent the state of the covenant. When the nation turend to Baal worship as they did, God would not protect them, not even the ark. Joshua 7:1-6, 1 Samuel 4:1-11 are examples of that, the Ark being captured by the Philitines in the latter. At 1 Samuel 6:11-21 and also at Numbers 4:6, 20 it was returned by the Philistines after it was catured because the Philistines were afraid of it, God punished the people for looking at it in a wrong(disrespectful) way.

When it was used faithfully, it dried up the Jordan for the Israelites to cross into the land and siege Jericho. The Philistines were afraid of it at 1 Samuel 4:6-8 when they found out the Israelites brought it into their camp and thus proceeded to run away. After the temple was built, it stayed in Jerusalem though sometime between Solomon and Josiah it was moved to somewhere else. The destruction of Sennacherib's army wasn't attributed to its presense either and it didn't protect the city from being conquered by the Babylonians.

It was lost sometime after Josiah became king and before the Babylonian conquest. Jeremiah 3:16, 17 foretold a time when the ark would be gone, a time when it would not be missed, and a time when his followers would not needed. This being after the Mosaic Covenant was disolved at the last supper.

Just a little historical proof. Wouldn't it be a little too campy anyways?

As for the Rod of Moses, it was destroyed because people tried to worship it. The jar of Manna and Staff of Aaron were eventually removed from the ark so that it contained only the commandments.

If you want a cool weapon, mod in Attila the Hun's war-god sword.

[lars573]

Well the Arc of the Covenant supposedly destroys entire armies with a supernatural energy if carried before it. Some people say that it may have contained something radioactive. Maybe something dropped by a passing alien spaceship who knows.
The Holy Grail, well of course that resores life to anyone who drinks from it as it held the blood of christ, who we all know was an alien
So we can change the name of the game to alien invasion.

Myself I've heard 2 theories in the arks ability to kill. The first being that the tablets the commandments were carved on was Urainium or something else radioactive. The other is that the Ark box itself could generate a powerful and potentially lethal electrical shock. The idea behind that is tha the Egyptians had stumbled on a way to generate electricity via a chemical reaction in canopic jars, which the Israelites some how found out and used in the construction of the Ark box. There is also another one that says the Egyptians then invented lights bulbs and used these canopic batteries to power them, but I digress. So some engineer tried to see of these Egyptian canopic-batteries could in fact generate electrical current and how much. These canopic batteries could in fact generate a current and if you connected enough to gether then you could generate a big enough jolt to kill a man. So then the theory goes that the Isrealites built these canopic batteries into the Ark's base and made most of the box out of conductive metals so that if you tried to open it and didn't grab the right part you got fried.

[Kraxis]

If you want a cool weapon, mod in Attila the Hun's war-god sword.

Talking about this?

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Ancillary sword_of_chinglu
    Image sword_of_chinglu_ancillary.tga
    ExcludeCultures barbarian, carthaginian, nomad, roman, eastern
    Description sword_of_chinglu_desc
    EffectsDescription sword_of_chinglu_effects_desc
    Effect TroopMorale  3 
    Effect Combat_V_Nomad  2 
    Effect Law  2

This is btw Merlin... Or Myrddyn. So it isn't that Arthurian.

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{merlin}	Myrddyn

{merlin_desc}
"A dream to some - a nightmare to others!"

{merlin_effects_desc}
+2 to line of sight (increases the range at which enemies are spotted), Improves the chances of casualties recovering from their wounds

[rebelscum]

Myself I've heard 2 theories in the arks ability to kill. The first being that the tablets the commandments were carved on was Urainium or something else radioactive. The other is that the Ark box itself could generate a powerful and potentially lethal electrical shock. The idea behind that is tha the Egyptians had stumbled on a way to generate electricity via a chemical reaction in canopic jars, which the Israelites some how found out and used in the construction of the Ark box. There is also another one that says the Egyptians then invented lights bulbs and used these canopic batteries to power them, but I digress. So some engineer tried to see of these Egyptian canopic-batteries could in fact generate electrical current and how much. These canopic batteries could in fact generate a current and if you connected enough to gether then you could generate a big enough jolt to kill a man. So then the theory goes that the Isrealites built these canopic batteries into the Ark's base and made most of the box out of conductive metals so that if you tried to open it and didn't grab the right part you got fried.

Sounds cool. There was also supposedly a golden pot of hidden mana.
I'm trying to dig up some more ancient artifacts.

[antisocialmunky]

The problem with that is that you need a fair amount of amperage which can't be generated with the technology back then. I mean, they were like giant 9 volt batteries. Without a something to change the properties of the current, you can't do that.

[rebelscum]

We would need some very low resistance metals like 'gold', the whole arc could have been just one big battery.
Apparently, upon the chest were two cherubim of beaten gold, looking towards each other, and spreading their wings so that both sides of the propitiatory were covered. These could be positive and negative terminals.
Funny thing is the manna reference in the bible is sometimes attributed to mushrooms that Isrealites found when they were travelling to the promised land.

http://diseyes.lycaeum.org/fresh/mushmann.htm
BTW, please don't try eating strange fungi off the ground, or you might start seeing bright coloured lights, or even enjoy playing CA expansions that don't fix things like the enemy walking up to your castle walls without seige equipment and standing there whilst you shoot them.

Yes ok I'm in a funny mood.

[lars573]

The problem with that is that you need a fair amount of amperage which can't be generated with the technology back then. I mean, they were like giant 9 volt batteries. Without a something to change the properties of the current, you can't do that.

Not nessisarily. Amperage is the ratio of the Voltage to the ressistance of the medium the current must flow through. If the box was made mostly out of conductive materials then it could deliver a severe shock. By the simple virtue that the path to ground (the person touching the box) has very little resistance, human bodies are excellent conductors.

[rebelscum]

Would it be possible that the arc was some some of capacitor, storing the charge.
A capacitor consists of two electrodes or plates, each of which stores an opposite charge. These two plates are conductive and are separated by an insulator or dielectric. These could be tablets of moses.
Glass and ceramics are used in modern capacitors.

[rebelscum]

Oh heres another relic we can mod into the game.
The Holy Prepuce, or to put it another way, the foreskin of Jesus.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Prepuce
Wouldn't it be great to ride out into battle with that stuck on a pole.
If I was the enemy I would run a mile.

On a more serious note, does anyone actually know when Christain symbols were first used on armour and banners, e.g the cross of St. George.
As St. George came from around this time, this is very interesting reading,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_George

[antisocialmunky]

Then you would need a larger amount of voltage than the 1.5 volts generated per jar to create a sufficient conversion from high voltage to lethal amperage. That's about 6 jars per 9 volt battery, you'd be pretty hard pressed to fit very many of those in there.

Yes you could use it as a basic capacitor. With the inside storing one charge and the outside storing the other with the Acatia wood in between.

But seriously, why hell are you putting so much focus on what happened to that one guy who touched it and died? The Levites moved through the wilderness it a great deal and they were fine. Even the Philistines had no problems lugging it around.

[Ludens]

The other is that the Ark box itself could generate a powerful and potentially lethal electrical shock. The idea behind that is tha the Egyptians had stumbled on a way to generate electricity via a chemical reaction in canopic jars, which the Israelites some how found out and used in the construction of the Ark box. There is also another one that says the Egyptians then invented lights bulbs and used these canopic batteries to power them, but I digress. So some engineer tried to see of these Egyptian canopic-batteries could in fact generate electrical current and how much. These canopic batteries could in fact generate a current and if you connected enough to gether then you could generate a big enough jolt to kill a man. So then the theory goes that the Isrealites built these canopic batteries into the Ark's base and made most of the box out of conductive metals so that if you tried to open it and didn't grab the right part you got fried.

Was the name of that engineer Erich von Däniken? I didn't know he was an engineer, but I do know he made roughly the same claims about the Ark and the so-called "Batteries of Bagdad". I also know he told a number of things about other historical artifacts that are patently untrue.

From what I know (but that is not much), the Ark was not that different from the portable altars in use at that time, so it is strange that so many wonderous qualities are attributed to this single artifact.

Off course, it is possible that the Egyptians knew electricity, but these kind of ideas tend to outstrip the available evidence very fast, especially in a enviroment where there is so little ability to verify them as the internet.

[rebelscum]

Maybe charging it up was part of a ritual.
With reference to its powers,
In the march from Sinai, and at the crossing of the Jordan, the Ark preceded the people, and was the signal for their advance (Num. 10:33; Josh. 3:3, 6). The Ark of the Covenant burned the thorns and other obstructions in the wilderness roads. According to tradition, sparks from between the two cherubim killed serpents and scorpions. (Canticles iii) [1] During the crossing of the Jordan, the river grew dry as soon as the feet of the priests carrying the Ark touched its waters; and remained so until the priests -- with the Ark -- left the river, after the people had passed over (Josh. 3:15-17; 4:10, 11, 18). As memorials, twelve stones were taken from the Jordan at the place where the priests had stood (Josh. 4:1-9).

[lars573]

Was the name of that engineer Erich von Däniken? I didn't know he was an engineer, but I do know he made roughly the same claims about the Ark and the so-called "Batteries of Bagdad". I also know he told a number of things about other historical artifacts that are patently untrue.

From what I know (but that is not much), the Ark was not that different from the portable altars in use at that time, so it is strange that so many wonderous qualities are attributed to this single artifact.

Off course, it is possible that the Egyptians knew electricity, but these kind of ideas tend to outstrip the available evidence very fast, especially in a enviroment where there is so little ability to verify them as the internet.

No that doof is a Archealogist through and though. If he had been the one expuing the theory of the arks powers I'd remember. I've marked him off as having watched to many sci-fi movies. No the guy I'm talking about was from UCLA (IIRC) and they just took him the directions for making the jar-battery and asked him to see if it could be recreated as exactly as possible and if it would in fact generate any kind of electrical energy.

[antisocialmunky]

Maybe charging it up was part of a ritual.
With reference to its powers,
In the march from Sinai, and at the crossing of the Jordan, the Ark preceded the people, and was the signal for their advance (Num. 10:33; Josh. 3:3, 6). The Ark of the Covenant burned the thorns and other obstructions in the wilderness roads. According to tradition, sparks from between the two cherubim killed serpents and scorpions. (Canticles iii) [1] During the crossing of the Jordan, the river grew dry as soon as the feet of the priests carrying the Ark touched its waters; and remained so until the priests -- with the Ark -- left the river, after the people had passed over (Josh. 3:15-17; 4:10, 11, 18). As memorials, twelve stones were taken from the Jordan at the place where the priests had stood (Josh. 4:1-9).

All I can say to those powers is what I have said before when I brought them up in my previous posts. They didn't come from the Ark itself. They came from God we're told. Besides, if the Egyptians had this technology militarized why did a bunch of slaves apply it before the super power of the age did? I'm all for Egyptians with light bulbs, but Tesla Coils.... I think not.

If so, during WWII, the French might have defended Paris with a little more effort:

Courtesy from your Command and Conquer: Red Alert 2 friends.

For reference with context to Num 10:33...

32 And it must occur that in case you should come with us, yes, it must occur that with what goodness Jehovah will do good with us, we, in turn, will do good to you."

33 So they went marching from the mountain of Jehovah for a journey of three days, and the ark of Jehovah's covenant was marching before them for a journey of three days to search out a resting-place for them. 34 And Jehovah's cloud was over them by day at their marching out from the encampment.

For reference with context to Joshua 3:3-6...

3 and to command the people, saying: "As soon as YOU see the ark of the covenant of Jehovah YOUR God, and the priests, the Levites, carrying it, then YOU yourselves will pull away from YOUR place, and YOU must follow it, 4 -only let there prove to be a distance between YOU and it of about two thousand cubits by measure; do not get near to it-in order that YOU may know the way by which YOU should go, for YOU have not passed over on that way before."

5 Joshua now said to the people: "Sanctify yourselves, for tomorrow Jehovah will do wonderful things in YOUR midst."

6 Then Joshua said to the priests: "Take up the ark of the covenant and pass before the people." So they took up the ark of the covenant and went before the people.

As for stilling the Jordan...

Oh silly diamagnetism, when will you learn?

The so called 'Moses Effect' based on the principal of diamagnetism which works specifically on the negative attraction of hydrogen atoms and positive attraction of oxygen atoms in water molecules. Since water molecules and arranged with the oxygens on one side and hydrogen on the other side, the molecule has two poles. When a magnetic field is induced on them all the atoms align. When placed in a VERY strong magnetic field, the water will travel to the opposite extremities of the field, hence 'Moses Effect.'

So, how many copper-iron batteries do you think it would take to generate that powerful of a magneticfield?

[rebelscum]

Yes very interesting, I was thinking that myself. If I remembe my O level physics you need a metal rod wrapped with a coil of wire which a current is passed through, iron filings will be dispersed to either ends of the rod.
Obviously before we came to understand the phsics behind electricty and magnatism, control of these 'elemental forces' would be considered godlike.
If you think that back in pagan times, the gods Jupiter (Zeus) threw thunderbolts down on his enemies also odins spear was the thundrbolt.
Being able to generate an arc of electricity when something discharged would be
amazing to behold.
Theres a good book about all this anyways.
Lost Secrets of the Sacred Ark: Amazing Revelations of the Incredible Power of Gold (Hardcover)
by Laurence Gardner

[Kekvit Irae]

Do I need to move this to the Monastery or *gasp* the Backroom?

[Prodigal]

Do I need to move this to the Monastery or *gasp* the Backroom?

You have to hand it to them though, I've read this & been seemlessly drawn from the content of a game file into possible electrical properties of relics, & the biblical consumption of magic 'shrooms

[Ciaran]

That description of Merlin is well thought of, in more than one sense ;)

[lars573]

You have to hand it to them though, I've read this & been seemlessly drawn from the content of a game file into possible electrical properties of relics, & the biblical consumption of magic 'shrooms

Damn straight!

[antisocialmunky]

I still liked Attila's WarGod Sword. That so needs to be implemented.