Ran No Jidai:(Mod for RTW) Screenshots

[Kraxis]

What about Kensai? They could be in like groups of 10-12 and could act the same as the no-dachi samurai, but with way better stats.

No no no... The time for lonely heroes was over, and had been for a lengthy time. Last time they were expected and the Japanese fought in a style that fitted it, was in the Mongol Invasions. After that the mentions just became a heroic reminesance of ealier times. Just like we find in practically every other part of the world.

Lone warriors standing up to armies have always been attractive, and still are today, but their time was long gone.

[beauchamp]

Yea I feel your pain. The world was truly changing from the invincible samurait of old (aka: Yoshitsune etc.) . Are there any other units besides the ones listed? I like the idea of clan specific units and special untis from certain provinces, like ninja from Iga, Monks from Kaga, and gunners from Kyushu. What would be really cool, is that an event would occur and then mercinaries would be available from either the Dutch or Portugese, not the Europeans themselves but Japanese soldiers trained by them. They could be of a higher calibur than that of the musketeers trained by the Japanese themselves. Like in lone wolf and cub, (I know I know, its in the Tokugawa era), but the muskets created by the specialist gunshmiths produced muskets of a higher quality. I understand the fact that there were huge peasant levies from all corners of Japan, but i think that there wernet JUST like 5-6 different unit types.

Ive got a book called "Secrets of the Samurai" and the "book of five rings" which I will post more ideas for units.

[Kraxis]

Ive got a book called "Secrets of the Samurai" and the "book of five rings" which I will post more ideas for units.

I've got "Secrets of the Samurai" too, that is where I got info for the Hirazamurai and policeforces from.
But isn't the "book of five rings" just a manual, more or less, by Miyamoto Mushashi about fencing and his increadible adventures?

[Marshal Murat]

When is it coming out???

[beauchamp]

It is a manual, but it also gives insite to the use of soldiers upon a battlefield, but now that I think about it, it doesnt really give insite to historical components of feudal Japan. In Fact, musashi gives a disclaimer saying that "no forms of historical combat or examples will be given to explain what I teach..."

[al'Callaendor]

the samurai horse archers are very nice

[SomeNick]

The Samurai Horse archers are excellent!

Great to see the Guild hosting the mod now too.

Great work guys !

When is rough release date? :O

[antisocialmunky]

No no no... The time for lonely heroes was over, and had been for a lengthy time. Last time they were expected and the Japanese fought in a style that fitted it, was in the Mongol Invasions. After that the mentions just became a heroic reminesance of ealier times. Just like we find in practically every other part of the world.

Lone warriors standing up to armies have always been attractive, and still are today, but their time was long gone.

Well, that didn't stop us from tossing around some ideas about them. If we have enough support, we could create them as a rebel unit. Pretty much a BI beserker sized No Dachi that's alot more HP, alot more bullet proof, and alot more powerful. They'd consist of one guy with 5-15 assistants.

They'd just be in there for a cool factor and die pretty quickly if isolated or in prolonged fighting. There is a practical consideration for a unit like this and that is to nullify super kama yari peasants. Since the AI has issues with spawning super peasants in rebellions a very expensive unit would nerf it.

Of course we'll have Ikko Ikki pop up in rebellions as well to help with this, but adding a rebel No Dachi would change things up a little in the middle of a campaign.

[JeanDeTample]

Well, that didn't stop us from tossing around some ideas about them. If we have enough support, we could create them as a rebel unit. Pretty much a BI beserker sized No Dachi that's alot more HP, alot more bullet proof, and alot more powerful. They'd consist of one guy with 5-15 assistants.

They'd just be in there for a cool factor and die pretty quickly if isolated or in prolonged fighting. There is a practical consideration for a unit like this and that is to nullify super kama yari peasants. Since the AI has issues with spawning super peasants in rebellions a very expensive unit would nerf it.

Of course we'll have Ikko Ikki pop up in rebellions as well to help with this, but adding a rebel No Dachi would change things up a little in the middle of a campaign.

I think, that the rtw engine allows some nice stilish and in place fitting features. One would be a rebel or mercenary ronin samurai unit. It would be presented as a small unit of sword fighting "retainers" with their lord samurai - represented by mounted "officer" model (as generals are) with one or more HP. The whole unit would be effective against ashigaru, but susceptible to gun-fire or cavalry charge. Either way this would be necessary to balance carefuly - I hate superheroes in a game like this.

I like the idea of samurai and a unit of retainers. Maybe all foot units could be presented as retainers to certain samurai (who would take place of the "unit leader" or "officer" - plus having still a "standard bearer". I believe, there are at least two slots for individual models in each unit, aren`t they?)

Probably something already considered by the modders...

[antisocialmunky]

Well, Hatamoto-Yakku was going to be represented by Naginata samurai. I rather keep them something you can't train, make them SLIGHTLY broken.

[Kraxis]

Well, Hatamoto-Yakku was going to be represented by Naginata samurai. I rather keep them something you can't train, make them SLIGHTLY broken.

Well individual non-elite samurai still used the Naginata... The Hatamoto-yakko is mentioned specifically (though their arms are not mentioned the Naginata is a good 'classical' choice).
Make them like the First Cohorts or something, expensive and timeconsuming, possibly beyond what their abilities warrent.

About the possibility of Kensai or similar heroes. The RTW engine can't handle units that are less than 6 strong. Officers and standardbearers are always going to be mounted if the unit is mounted and on foot if likewise, and they are exactly the same as the normal soldiers in the unit, except they have 2HP. So a Kensai unit with a single Kensai and several assistants is going to be extremely difficult, likely impossible.
Also I thought the mod was about accuracy in specific so that was why I jumped so strongly at the mention of Kensai.

[Kagemusha]

Im not personally great fan of Kensai unit since i think how ever good swordsman one could be he couldnt take out 100 other men no matter how crappy those guys would be.

[antisocialmunky]

Standard HP might end up around 2 to prevent mass impact kills from charging cavalry and make arrows be better at disorder than killing.
It all depends on that so...

I'm not saying that a Kensai should be insanely good, I'm talking about making them slightly broken, IE beats Ashigaru at 50% or something. The'd be like Kensai except smaller and slightly more than proportionally devastating per man. Just a better Kensai unit that you can't build. OProme could go nuts on the model too.

It's actually one of the laws of replayability:

Build in something so noticably cool that it imprints itself on the player's mind that doesn't happen very often that the player can't control and you've guarenteed atleast one extra cycle of gameplay and a common reference for all player and goal for the new ones.

Hell, he doesn't even have to be amazingly good, just script it so a really awesome music track plays when there's a Kensai on the field. Just something noticable. Different attack sound set, the taunt attribute that beserkers have, lots of yelling... etc Besides, from a gameplay prespective, it'd break up the midgame monotony to fight a crazy guy with a 6 foot long sword with his own battle music.

[PROMETHEUS]

No Kensai in this version.....

[antisocialmunky]

Okay, that's fine.

Developing and idea: Is there anyway we can script music based on army composition?

[PROMETHEUS]

Nope...

[don776]

gday,
im wondering if you could post a percentage complete estimate, like 80% or whatever, i dont bother askin when MODS come out cuz they are never accurate, but the percentage gives me an idea,
thanks for time
don

[don776]

or, is the mod dead?

[Kagemusha]

Hello Don776! No mod is not dead but to be thruthfull we dont have a clue how ready the Mod is.

[Kraxis]

I have a question... It is clear you want to include Kenshin and Shingen, but isn't the startdate going to be a problem? Isn't it going to be problematic to script very good generals to pop up at their time of accension?

[Kagemusha]

I have a question... It is clear you want to include Kenshin and Shingen, but isn't the startdate going to be a problem? Isn't it going to be problematic to script very good generals to pop up at their time of accension?

we are going to try to script the births.And traits and ancillaries.Anyway we are going to see generals who look Shingen or Kenshin like,becouse we are using the most famous Daymio of each clan for that clans General unit.We have done basic Clan family trees for each faction already.Now the question is can and should us also put the key retainer family generals in the family trees also?

[antisocialmunky]

Yes, we've planned the system out. For now all births are scripted. The Retainer(Elite Yari) Cavalry will be buildable generals.

[smokey_jon_2000]

wut up guys, good looking mod so far. I've never really been into mods, but this does look damn cool. I know nothing about modding, but if there's anything I can do to help out, let me know.

[Kagemusha]

wut up guys, good looking mod so far. I've never really been into mods, but this does look damn cool. I know nothing about modding, but if there's anything I can do to help out, let me know.

Thanks smokey_jon_2000! If you have no experience on modding.Best way to help us out is to post any info you might come across in the internet resources thread.

[beauchamp]

Sorry to go off topic and mess things up, but has anyone ever thought of doing a Genki era mod, like in the 1180's? We could do some cool shit with that i think...

[Kagemusha]

Good idea Beuchamp. But one project at a time..

[Lanemerkel1]

according to my research during the period your using for this mod all samurai were equipped with Katana's, Wakizashi's, Yari's/Naginata's (depended on weather he was on horse or on foot), and Yumi's, plus the armor was lightweight and could stop any slashing attack from a katana dead in it's tracks.

their Katana's, and Wakizashi's were Strong, Light, and Sharp whereas European swords of the period were heavy, brittle, and dull.

Japanese Naginata's were sharper than European Pikes and lighter thanks to the way Japanese made the blade and the fact that the handle was made out of hollow bamboo instead of solid oak.

Japanese Yari's and Yumi's were both lighter than their European counterparts because they were, again, made out of bamboo.

(aka if the Samurai were in Medieval total war, they would kick the ass of any unit in the game)

[antisocialmunky]

I wouldn't sell the Europeans so short, they were made for a different type of warfare and would probably beat the average Japanese in a fight during the SJ period and especially during the late Medieval era with their Gothic Armour. Their weapons were good and they used the same weapon making techniques as the Japanese, they were heavier because they were used by larger men and had to deal with heavier plate steel.

Seriously, I have no idea why people put so much stock in Katanas. Its not like they could cut through a car or anything. They often chipped in battle.

[Y0JIMB0]

Hi everybody,

I got the same prob like smokey_jon_2000,
would like to help you but I´ve no expirenence with modding

My knowledge about old Nippon is "ok" (got many books and been to nippon two years ago)
but I think you got enough help with that stuff.
But maybe you need someone for translation work from ENG to GER.

hope the first version of the mod will come soon,
the movie looks so great that I installed and played STW after watching it.

So far
thx for attention

[Lanemerkel1]

I wouldn't sell the Europeans so short, they were made for a different type of warfare and would probably beat the average Japanese in a fight during the SJ period and especially during the late Medieval era with their Gothic Armour. Their weapons were good and they used the same weapon making techniques as the Japanese, they were heavier because they were used by larger men and had to deal with heavier plate steel.

Seriously, I have no idea why people put so much stock in Katanas. Its not like they could cut through a car or anything. They often chipped in battle.

one that's properly cared for is lightweight, strong and can cut a man in half with one blow