Colombus Day

[Papewaio]

If I hit you over the head with an iron and call it a soft touch would you understand the term ironic statement?

[Uesugi Kenshin]

Ummm every immigrant group was discriminated against iirc. The Irish were, do I say that we need a holiday celebrating a famous Irish-American? No, that is because I don't need the nation to tell me to. Not saying you do, just saying what I do.
Also immigrants were never discriminated against quite as badly as blacks. Period, never happened, in people's minds even they were above the blacks.

[Redleg]

If I hit you over the head with an iron and call it a soft touch would you understand the term ironic statement?

Which Iron - if your going to hit me in the head with one I prefer a pitching wedge.

[Papewaio]

No I use pitching wedges in combination with a wedgie to truly make sure the individual will not breed... it is like a Darwin award but the individual gets to live but not propagate.

Normally it is a par 3 combo... two for the potatoes and one for the meat.

[Kaiser of Arabia]

Please, the amount of times I specifically get blamed for somthing simply because of the Mob innotations of being an Italian American is off the charts. In most cities, where Italians make up a large population, it isn't very much true, but in rural towns and heavily Anglo-Saxon populations, you bet there is.

Cops have stopped me simply because I *look* Italian. Then, we have the school district which is rascist against me and tries to rub all these organized crime statistics in my face on a regular basis. Slanders Columbus and Meucci, et cetera. To make it all the worse, we're white as well. There goes half our oppertunities to get into good schools.

On the other hand, in Modern America, blacks and hispanics have it MADE. Racial Quotas, modified SAT scores, the works. Anything to make their life easier. But at what expense? At our expense.

To be frank, I'm sick of it.

[Strike For The South]

Cops have stopped me simply because I *look* Italian. Then, we have the school district which is rascist against me and tries to rub all these organized crime statistics in my face on a regular basis. Slanders Columbus and Meucci, et cetera. To make it all the worse, we're white as well. There goes half our oppertunities to get into good schools.
To be frank, I'm sick of it.

Are you sure this had to do with you just being Italian

[Devastatin Dave]

CC was wrong in thinking the world was not a sphere ..he equated it to be like a womans breast

Thats strange, I equate the world as a giant butt hole thats got a lot of turds around it. Excluding present company of course...

[solypsist]

on any other board, you'd deserve to be banned for such over-the-top falseties. really.

On the other hand, in Modern America, blacks and hispanics have it MADE. Racial Quotas, modified SAT scores, the works. Anything to make their life easier. But at what expense? At our expense.

To be frank, I'm sick of it.

[Papewaio]

Thats strange, I equate the world as a giant butt hole thats got a lot of turds around it.

That is a more accurate description of the gravity field around a black hole

[Soulforged]

Well what do you think of it?

I recently wrote a piece on Colombus Day for my school paper, it will be in Wednesday or Thursday's edition, I really don't see why the US celebrates him. It seems like he did a whole lot more harm than good. For one he treated the natives very brutally, even against the orders of the Spanish crown, he was a glory hound and even stole the glory of first seeing land from one of his own men, he was fairly inept when it came to predicting the Ocean's size and that of the Earth, and I'm sure there are many other things, but I think that's enough to start.

At least here we don't celebrate the figure of Colon (Columbus) itself, but the apparition of the new world before the "eyes" of the old one, thus the races united (in a very ample sense of the word ). So I don't see the whole problem here. Besides many "heros" of history were far more brutal...
Another thing, Columbus is Spanish, at least for a recent study, probably born in the zone of Catalunia.
The message of the success was forgotten by somebody here sadly...

[Crazed Rabbit]

over-the-top falseties

Ever heard of affirmative action? Minorities (not including Asians) getting points on university applications for skin color?

Crazed Rabbit

[thrashaholic]

Just to be interesting: it was recently discovered that the first Europeans (and possibly first people) to step foot on America were a neolithic tribe from South-West France who sailed there during the ice age.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon...columbus.shtml

[Kanamori]

Ever heard of affirmative action? Minorities (not including Asians) getting points on university applications for skin color?

The huge majority of people that go to college are white. What is wrong with trying to help minority families out by giving them the chance at a good education that they otherwise would not get because of socio-economic conditions?

[Goofball]

Well, without slavery, they'd still be in the dark ages in Africa, dying at age 30 of a cold.

With all due respect Kaiser, I suggest you take some courses in how not to say the most offensive, stupid, thoughtless possible things nearly every time you open your mouth.

Perhaps they offer them at you local community college.

Give them a call, please...

[Kanamori]

Because socio-economic conditions are a load of bull. The poor (like myself) can get though college on Student Loans. Entering into college should be on merit. Period.

Equal means equal.

The notion that someone's environment has no effect on them is ludicrous. I have never said that those who are impoverished, economically and socially, have no chance at moving up the ladder, only that it is much less likely that an impoverished person will move up than it is for someone who has been put in a better situation but has the same basic personal abilities. I am not taking away your freewill; those who have had lesser primary educations have a better chance of moving up if they want to than they would w/o such a system. I do not advocate giving them free money, and I do not see why we as a society should not make upward mobility more of a reality.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

on any other board, you'd deserve to be banned for such over-the-top falseties. really.

This isn't "any other board" that bans people based on the banners political ideology.

[Kaiser of Arabia]

on any other board, you'd deserve to be banned for such over-the-top falseties. really.

Over the top falseties? What falseties do you mention?

Many collages have Racial Quotas, and while such is de facto illegal, they are still enforced. And modified SAT scores due to race, economic system, etc. have been fact for a long time.

In the U.S., the most prominent form of affirmative action centers on access to education, particularly admission to universities and other forms of tertiary instruction. Race, ethnicity, native language, social class, geographical origin, parental attendance of the university in question (legacy admissions), and/or gender are often taken into account when assessing the meaning of an applicant's grades and test scores.

For example, the college admission chances of a female university student will tend to be equal to that of a male student with SAT scores fifty points higher than hers.

An affirmative action study by Princeton researchers in 2005 attempted to break down and compare the effects of the practice among racial and special groups. The data from the study represent admissions disadvantage and advantage in terms of SAT points (on 1600-point scale):

* Blacks: +230
* Hispanics: +185
* Asians: −50
* Recruited athletes: +200
* Legacies (children of alumni): +160

A simple Wikipedia search would reveal this. Read up.

With all due respect Kaiser, I suggest you take some courses in how not to say the most offensive, stupid, thoughtless possible things nearly every time you open your mouth.

Perhaps they offer them at you local community college.

Give them a call, please...

With all due respect, Goofball, I stopped giving a damn about who I offend a long time ago, about the time people stopped giving a damn if they insult me. A little after that, in fact. If the truth offends people, too bad. The truth is the truth, I don't beleive in sugar coating it. My wording may be a bit harsh, I admit, but nontheless, I doubt anything I say with half a serious intention is false.

The huge majority of people that go to college are white. What is wrong with trying to help minority families out by giving them the chance at a good education that they otherwise would not get because of socio-economic conditions?

The huge majority of America is also white. Your point?

white 81.7%, black 12.9%, Asian 4.2%, Amerindian and Alaska native 1%, native Hawaiian and other Pacific islander 0.2% (2003 est.)
note: a separate listing for Hispanic is not included because the US Census Bureau considers Hispanic to mean a person of Latin American descent (including persons of Cuban, Mexican, or Puerto Rican origin) living in the US who may be of any race or ethnic group (white, black, Asian, etc.)

CIA World Factbook.

Are you sure this had to do with you just being Italian

Mostly at least. I mean, considering I get told that is is all the time. As a non-Italian, I wouldn't expect you to understand.

Ever heard of affirmative action? Minorities (not including Asians) getting points on university applications for skin color?

Crazed Rabbit

Beat me to it. Thanks man.

[Ser Clegane]

I didn't mean for it to come out like that. What I meant to say was that while one can say Columbus was an ass, one could say MLK was too. Everyone has their faults, but you must look past them in some cases.

Quite frankly you comparison is absolute nonsense - what exactly were the "faults" of MLK one has to "look past"?

[Kaiser of Arabia]

Quite frankly you comparison is absolute nonsense - what exactly were the "faults" of MLK one has to "look past"?

Is anyone perfect? That's the true question. Are you implying that a man was able to reach true perfection?

[Alexanderofmacedon]

Esp. when it comes to Italian Americans. I mean, we are the most discriminated against group in America.

I don't know where you get that (I would say Muslims would be most discriminated today).

Although I don't get that, I will say I'm sorry for all the people who have said anything to you along those lines. I will and would never make references to that unless I was playing around with you.

[Kaiser of Arabia]

I don't know where you get that (I would say Muslims would be most discriminated today).

Although I don't get that, I will say I'm sorry for all the people who have said anything to you along those lines. I will and would never make references to that unless I was playing around with you.

The discrimination against Italian-Americans is weird, I'll put it that way. There's no set group that hates them, it just seems alot of Non-Italians in power hates them. That's why there will never be an Italian President. Hell, we have a better shot of having Ahnold than an Italian (Guiliani).

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

That's also because Guiliani is a liberal Republican - boo hiss (rightfully so) from sides of the political aisle.

[Steppe Merc]

Colombus was an ass. He didn't do anything, just subjegate the native peoples. He got lost. Yay.

[Strike For The South]

Mostly at least. I mean, considering I get told that is is all the time. As a non-Italian, I wouldn't expect you to understand.

Um....Im half Italian and never encounterd this but okay

[PanzerJaeger]

Why do we celebrate MLK day? St. Pats day? Columbus day isnt the only worthless holiday..

[Uesugi Kenshin]

GC economic reasons WILL deter someone from going to college, and getting the most out of high school. All you have to do is take a look at the classes at my school, AP History; all the people there are fairly well off and their parents are involved/enthusiastic about theuir education, I believe 5-7 went to parent night. Honors, similar sort of situation, slightly more diverse, but with a few less parents going iirc. A level; less affluent, parents generally not very enthusiastic about their education, virtually no parents show up. If there is no interest in education at the student's house, or they are constantly having to do other things rather than study or do homework it is extremely hard to do well. It is possible to rise above poverty, but it is extremely difficult.

BTW I got the information on parent's night and all of that from talking to several of my teachers.

[Crazed Rabbit]

St. Pats day?

Are you calling the celebration of Saint Patrick's Day, honoring the saint who brought Christianity to the whole of Ireland, a useless holiday!?!?!?!

And I wonder how many people scorning Columbus's acievements would have the guts to go on a completely uncharted voyage through a ocean of unknown immensity, with no modern aids, on three small wooden ships, and bet their life on what noone knew.

Crazed Rabbit

[Kaiser of Arabia]

Um....Im half Italian and never encounterd this but okay

Your last name Italian? You look like an Italian?

You posted a pic once, and judging by that, you don't look Italian. So you wouldn't be discriminated against by random passerbys.

[Steppe Merc]

Are you calling the celebration of Saint Patrick's Day, honoring the saint who brought Christianity to the whole of Ireland, a useless holiday!?!?!?!

And I wonder how many people scorning Columbus's acievements would have the guts to go on a completely uncharted voyage through a ocean of unknown immensity, with no modern aids, on three small wooden ships, and bet their life on what noone knew.

Crazed Rabbit

Well why isn't there a Viking crossing and landing in Newfoundland day? Or a crossing of the English Channel by William the Bastard day? Or the Mongols cross the Gobi Desert day? Or Launch of the Apollo day?
Just because something is important doesn't mean it deserves a holiday.

[Kaiser of Arabia]

Your pic didn't look terribly "Italian" either Kaiser. I've got a Jewish freind from California who looks just like you.

My pic was black and white. My skin color and accent give me off as a typical NY Italian.