Colombus Day

**Ser Clegane** · 10-07-2005, 22:17

Originally Posted by Kaiser of Arabia

I didn't mean for it to come out like that. What I meant to say was that while one can say Columbus was an ass, one could say MLK was too. Everyone has their faults, but you must look past them in some cases.

Quite frankly you comparison is absolute nonsense - what exactly were the "faults" of MLK one has to "look past"?

**Kaiser of Arabia** · 10-07-2005, 22:21

Originally Posted by Ser Clegane

Quite frankly you comparison is absolute nonsense - what exactly were the "faults" of MLK one has to "look past"?

Is anyone perfect? That's the true question. Are you implying that a man was able to reach true perfection?

**Alexanderofmacedon** · 10-07-2005, 22:22

Esp. when it comes to Italian Americans. I mean, we are the most discriminated against group in America.

I don't know where you get that (I would say Muslims would be most discriminated today).

Although I don't get that, I will say I'm sorry for all the people who have said anything to you along those lines. I will and would never make references to that unless I was playing around with you.

**Kaiser of Arabia** · 10-07-2005, 22:25

Originally Posted by Alexanderofmacedon

I don't know where you get that (I would say Muslims would be most discriminated today).

Although I don't get that, I will say I'm sorry for all the people who have said anything to you along those lines. I will and would never make references to that unless I was playing around with you.

The discrimination against Italian-Americans is weird, I'll put it that way. There's no set group that hates them, it just seems alot of Non-Italians in power hates them. That's why there will never be an Italian President. Hell, we have a better shot of having Ahnold than an Italian (Guiliani).

**Alexander the Pretty Good** · 10-07-2005, 22:29

That's also because Guiliani is a liberal Republican - boo hiss (rightfully so) from sides of the political aisle.

**Kanamori** · 10-07-2005, 23:45

Giving black and mexican people a better chance at getting into college has nothing to do with economic situation, or they'd do it for all poor people.

The idea is racial equality. Those minorities make less on average.http://nces.ed.gov/pubs2005/nativetr...excelsesize=18
The goal is to get these numbers -- for blacks, whites, latinos, etc. -- to match.
Poor school districts tend not to get as much money per student as wealthier districts do. Therefore, those poorer minorities on average have a lesser education at their disposal, which gives less opportunitiy for secondaryschooling.

Economic Situation will not deter you from seeking a higher education.

Not directly, no. Someone who lives in a violent ghetto has a very different life experience than someone who doesn't.

The huge majority of America is also white. Your point?

There is uneven distribution, though. http://nces.ed.gov/pubs2005/nativetr...excelsesize=15

Simply put, if your education and economic standing were solely your choice, wouldn't you expect the averaged numbers to be the same for every race?

Obviously, it is not as simple as "I want to go to college, so I will."

**Kanamori** · 10-07-2005, 23:53

The man had no vices that I know of.

He was not dedicated to his wife. He cheated on her sexually.

It's the greedy ingrates who spearheaded Afirmative Action and bastardized his dream of equality that are the asses.

"Whenever this issue [compensatory treatment] is raised, some of our friends recoil in horror. The Negro should be granted equality, they agree, but should ask for nothing more. On the surface, this appears reasonable, but is not realistic. For it is obvious that if a man enters the starting line of a race three hundred years after another man, the first would have to perform some incredible feat in order to catch up."

- MLK

**Byzantine Prince** · 10-08-2005, 00:08

I think Christopher Columbus started something special. He is part of history's greatest figureheads and he should be remembered. The continent should be renamed Columbia IMO, but whatever. He also lived in Chios(Greece) as I hear.

I don't like MLK at all. I don't like how he is asking for something more then equality. African Americans are people and they are free now. They have equal rights, that's all they need in a country like America, a country that people [to this day] risk their necks to come to, sometimes with no economic assets at all.

Oh and need I mention the majority become successful in their ventures despite these hardships?

**King Henry V** · 10-08-2005, 00:38

Am I the only person here who thinks that the more holidays, the better?

**Devastatin Dave** · 10-08-2005, 00:50

Originally Posted by King Henry V

Am I the only person here who thinks that the more holidays, the better?

Nope, you're not the only one!!! If Bill Clinton had a holiday I'd have another day off, drunk as a skunk (like most holidays!!!) with a cigar stuck in my butt in honor of him!!!

**Xiahou** · 10-08-2005, 03:39

Originally Posted by Kanamori

Poor school districts tend not to get as much money per student as wealthier districts do.

That statement is kind of obvious- poor means less money than wealthy. However, if you meant urban school districts vs rural/suburban school districts- I think you're wrong in most cases. Large cities have huge tax bases, and more importantly, with poorer students they're entitled to a much larger chunk of the available federal monies.

For example, in 2003 the median expenditures per student was $7,254, while Washington DC school district spent $11,847 per student, far above the average. Of course, they're still getting terrible educations- but that's another matter.
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**Soulforged** · 10-08-2005, 04:54

I really don't understand most posts here, for what I know the Columbus Day is not exactly Columbus Day, but the Day of Ethnicism (to put it in some way).

**Don Corleone** · 10-08-2005, 05:44

1) Columbus didn't 'discover' America, St. Brendan did.

2) He didn't establish the first colony in North America, Leif Ericsson did.

3) Columbus, in an effort to find a shorter trade route to India, proved to the Europeans that there were lands here ready for colonization & exploitation. What has happened in the 513 years since his voyage really depends upon what side of history upon which you happened to land.

Columbus was a vile bastard. If he hadn't sailed to the Western Hemisphere the EU wouldn't be plagued with the ultimate evil it now faces, the United States of America [/sarcasm off]

Honestly folks, that's how the European crowd's coming off (and of course, Tachikaze can't miss his chance to get a few licks in). Yes, Kasier's being a bit nationalistic, but you are engaging in a bit of snobbery yourselves. But of course, I'm just paranoid, you're all above that sort of thing...