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    be forced to change or addapt/take a religion...if you would what would be your price or limit

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    See how much they'll pay you... but I'm not sure if I could ever believe in another religion, but I admit I have my doubts about Christianity.
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    Uh...no?

    Why do you hate Freedom?
    The US is marching backward to the values of Michael Stivic.

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    How would they force you to believe? It's impossible. So, yeah, take as much money as you can. Say you are believeing their religion, and continue to do what you want about your real faith.

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    By the time there done with me They will be part of my religon
    There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford

    My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.

    I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.

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    Never.
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    I am a god. Believe in me and I`ll reserve you a great place in heaven.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Stranger
    be forced to change or addapt/take a religion...if you would what would be your price or limit
    Only one: proof of the deity
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    I need a little something extra to convince that Jesus was anything more than the most hyped up man in human history, with the buddah coming in a distant second and muhammed a very distant angry third.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Stranger
    be forced to change or addapt/take a religion...if you would what would be your price or limit
    I would change religion at any time if it would benefit me, my fortune or the world peace......

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    Quote Originally Posted by strike for the south
    By the time there done with me They will be part of my religon
    The Church of Strike For the South, LTD? Just kidding.

    Why do you hate Freedom?
    The US is marching backward to the values of Michael Stivic.

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    i would adopt any religion as quick as you can say "cornbread" if it gets me glorious, shining riches! the exact price would depend on the reliigon and how strict a practitioner i would have to be.

    cha-ching!
    now i'm here, and history is vindicated.

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    They would have to beat the Atheism out of me, and even then it probably wouldn't be enough if only because I'd end up defying them just to spite them.

    Of course if the deity came down (or from wherever they happen to be) and it was proven that it was a god, then I'd believe, but probably not worship or follow.

    I'm just a bit stubborn and individualistic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Divinus Arma
    I need a little something extra to convince that Jesus was anything more than the most hyped up man in human history, with the buddah coming in a distant second and muhammed a very distant angry third.
    Gah! Buddha is the man. Every real Buddhist who have any knowledge of Buddhism history knows that! Those fools who believe him God forget that even if the whole heaven-hell-and-something-we-called-nirvana-thing is real, Nirvana is still the abandonment of existence (hence ultimate peace) and the Buddha achieved it, supposedly. He's no more, either way.

    But, of course, it's always good to have the prophet of a major religion to serve as the spiritual champion of the hippies.
    Quote Originally Posted by Viking
    I am a god. Believe in me and I`ll reserve you a great place in heaven.
    You do not believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster!? You...you..."u g0 t0 h311!!!1!111!!!!"

    Now, to finally seriously discuss the topic:

    As others have said. The deity only have to show himself and the crowd attitude will sweep over the world in no time, and that deity will be worshiped almost universally throughout. For a while, at least. However, with the absence of the deity's real presence, we can only assume if there is one or not. And it is a very hard process to actually change one's mind regarding his or her personal spiritual belief. It may be easy for, say, the Spanish government to demand that all immigrants in Texas/Mexico must be Catholics, and everybody are officially Catholics. But the fact is that most continued to worship the way they did before. Even more extreme examples such as the forced conversion of Eastern Germany to Catholicism by Charlemagne, the process was bloody and took generations--different peoples--to succeed.

    As for me, I tend to have a small stroke of nihilism when "God" is mentioned. In a way, that God might have been me. After all, if I really am a nihilist, "God" is just another concept of my mind. And therefore part of my mind. And therefore, in the end, "God" is just a part of me.

    IF I am a nihilist, though, which I'm not. For my opinion of them is that they are the epitome of vanity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiser of Arabia
    The Church of Strike For the South, LTD? Just kidding.
    Southern Baptist the best christians ever
    There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford

    My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.

    I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by strike for the south
    Southern Baptist the best christians ever
    Never heard of them....

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    First I would say no. and then if push came to shove I'd take down as many of those bastards with me as possible.

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    lets put i this way...They would threathen your family and theyll kill them if you wont...if you will your family wont get hurt. they'll monitor you and if you dont strictly follow the religions rules...theyll kill your family...thank you :bow and have a nice day

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    well, there's two things, religion and faith.

    for the purposes of this particular question i would suggest a division here, between faith - an internal belief, and religion - a set of cultural observations. It's a heuristic thing.

    And so my answer is pretty clear, based on this. It's absolutely possible to force religious observance, but internal faith not.

    care to elaborate the question?

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    i'm talking bout religion...not faith but youre absolutly right

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    well, in that case, i know several people who, to a greater or lesser extent, have adopted the religion of their partner.

    I'm not sure to what extent they are people with 'faith'. speaking to one of them about their belief in god, she used of a 'deist' stance, and prayed, but not in an organised way. so for her, the conversion wasn't to another faith so much as to any specific faith.

    and i went to a school which insisted on going to chapel and christian relgious observance for all, regardless of faith. In that case i guess i could have kicked up a fuss, but didn't.

    So my barrier to being forced to religious observation is that low!
    *laughs*

    Wow. strike me a man of principle.

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    Southern Baptist the best christians ever
    Which Southern Baptists would those be then ?and isn't the Southern Baptist Union really a contridiction of Baptist ideas .
    What makes it better than the Presbyterian , Congregationalist , Quaker , Reformist , Orthodox , Monophysite , Nestorian , Calvinist , Methodist , Amish , Waldensian , Eastern Rite , Episcopalian and Lutheran Christians.
    Apart from all of them being heretics who will be condemned to eternal damntion
    But more importantly and to the topic at hand ...how much are they offering ?
    And is it cash or check ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tribesman
    Southern Baptist the best christians ever
    Which Southern Baptists would those be then ?and isn't the Southern Baptist Union really a contridiction of Baptist ideas .
    What makes it better than the Presbyterian , Congregationalist , Quaker , Reformist , Orthodox , Monophysite , Nestorian , Calvinist , Methodist , Amish , Waldensian , Eastern Rite , Episcopalian and Lutheran Christians.
    Apart from all of them being heretics who will be condemned to eternal damntion
    But more importantly and to the topic at hand ...how much are they offering ?
    And is it cash or check ?
    If we want to get real techneical my chruch is part of the Texas baptist convention becuase those boys from the Southren convention were fundys (yes even for bible beating me) and Its free to join and if you act now you get an I love Jesus bumper sticker at no extra cost
    There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford

    My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.

    I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.

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    Hmmm my family eh?
    Well that would require a lot of thought. Not sure what would happen then.
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    Money for joining a religion would be nice. I meant you don't actually have to believe it/go to meetings/do the afterlife bit or anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube
    Southern Baptist huh? Sort of like this guy?

    One of Fred Phelps' websites.

    You also know Baptists aren't allowed to Drink, right?
    :rollseye: Yes Gc I love Fred Phelps. And I have heard it all before no drinking, no dancing etc. but let me tell you forgiveness is great.
    There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford

    My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.

    I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.

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    Strike FTS , your comment If we want to get real techneical my chruch is part of the Texas baptist convention becuase those boys from the Southren convention were fundys reminds me of this......http://www.shipoffools.com/Features/2005/10_funny.html
    Go to the number one joke of the top 10
    Oh but EVERYBODY !!!!!!!DO NOT CLICK on that link if you are unable to laugh about religeon or are easily offended and think that everone is out to bash your beliefs . Just visit Phelps site instead

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    on topic please....did i said that

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    Quote Originally Posted by strike for the south
    Southern Baptist the best republican christians ever


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    If those pesky Almohads managed to invade Mercia I'd probably change religion eventually. Provided they kept the place garissoned and moved in some Imans - otherwise... NO WAY

    Seriously though, you couldn't force me to change religion. Threatening death would not disuade me and even if I did say I'd changed religion I wouldn't mean it. The threat of death doesn't really work.
    Cowardice is to run from the fear;
    Bravery is not to never feel the fear.
    Bravery is to be terrified as hell;
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